People and earth pull on each other, so why do people fall?

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The discussion revolves around the interaction between a person, Daniel, and the Earth, specifically addressing why Daniel falls despite the mutual gravitational attraction described by Newton's Third Law. The subject area includes concepts from classical mechanics, particularly gravitational forces and acceleration.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the implications of Newton's laws, particularly focusing on the relationship between force, mass, and acceleration. Questions arise about the intuitive understanding of why Daniel falls when both he and the Earth exert equal and opposite forces on each other.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and affirmations of each other's reasoning. Some guidance is offered regarding the calculations of acceleration, and there is an exploration of the conceptual aspects of gravitational attraction.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the absence of specific equations initially, and there is a mention of the practical implications of gravitational interactions in everyday scenarios, such as jumping or using elevators.

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Daniel's weight is 800 Newtons. According to Newton's Third Law, if the Earth pulls on Daniel with a force of 800 Newtons, then Daniel pulls on Earth with a force of 800 Newtons in the opposite direction. Why then is Daniel able to trip and fall down to the ground?

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Well, I've been stuck on this for a while now. I remember learning something about this with a leaf falling, but I can't remember/find it anymore.

I do have one theory, however. Even though I said there are no relevant equations, I believe I can use Newton's Second Law (F = ma) to figure out this problem. I need to rearrange this equation to solve for acceleration, as so: a = F / m. If force F is the same for both the Earth and for Daniel, then the only changing variable is m. The Earth has an extremely higher mass than Daniel, so the acceleration for the small force of 800 Newtons is so small, it's nearly nonexistent. However, Daniel's mass is much smaller, so the force of 800 Newtons causes his acceleration to be considerably higher than the earth's, so much as to make him fall down.
 
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I think you've got the right idea.

But I wonder about the wording of the question. Intuitively, why would Daniel not fall down? i.e. Why would the mutual attraction of Earth and boy adversely affect his movement toward the Earth upon tripping?
 
Your reasoning is right. If Daniel trips, he falls towards the Earth with a noticeable acceleration. Although the Earth DOES move up towards Daniel, its acceleration when it does that is so tiny that you can't tell it's happening.
 
Luckily, or I would be bouncing up and down and the solar system would probably get disrupted every time someone in Australia (hey guys!) jumps up and down or someone takes an elevator from the basement to the 20th floor.

PS Taharok, it might be "fun" for you to actually calculate the acceleration of the Earth due to Daniel falling, and its (relative) change in velocity if this fall took, say, half a second. :)
 

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