Period doubling for a damped, driven, harmonic oscillator

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of period doubling in a damped, driven harmonic oscillator, specifically in the context of a simulated pendulum. Participants explore the implications of observed chaotic behavior, the conditions under which period doubling occurs, and the challenges of numerical integration in this context.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes observing period doubling and then a 5-peak pattern in their simulation, raising questions about whether this indicates a "window" of chaos and how to analytically determine control parameters for period doubling.
  • Another participant suggests that the observed behavior likely indicates an overshoot in the driving force and recommends varying the forcing function more slowly to better observe the doublings.
  • A third participant introduces the Feigenbaum constant as a relevant concept and warns about the challenges posed by numerical integration errors when attempting to observe multiple period doublings.
  • A later reply acknowledges the need for a smaller step size in simulations and references a specific paper related to the topic, expressing frustration over the complexity of the model assigned.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the observed behavior may indicate overshooting and that careful adjustments in the simulation parameters are necessary. However, there is no consensus on the specific analytic methods for determining control parameters for period doubling.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include potential errors in numerical integration that may obscure the observation of period doublings and the complexity of the model being simulated, which may not be straightforward to analyze.

Who May Find This Useful

Researchers and students interested in chaos theory, dynamical systems, and numerical simulations of physical systems may find this discussion relevant.

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I'm not sure I'm in the right forum but I'll try and ask anyways.

So I simulated a damped, driven pendulum in Java with the goal of showing period doubling/chaotic behavior.
But then, as I was increasing the driving force, i saw the double period born. Then the 4-period...but then suddenly I noticed I was getting 5 peaks! I let it run for a while and they were stable.

So my questions are:
1) does this mean I'm in a "window" of the chaos? Did i overshoot the 8,16,32..etc periods?

2) is there an analytic way to determine for which values of control parameters period doubling occurs? I know you can look at the bifurcation diagram (if you have one!) and see..But for any example I look at, I can only make out the 16-period doubling bifurcation.

it seems like most books just plot and the values are obtained from trial/error. For example, what is the r value for the 128 period of the logistic map? I can't find it.

Anyways I'd appreciate any insight! Thank you
 
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1) Almost certainly you overshot. Try varying the forcing function much more slowly -- the doublings become very closely spaced as you approach chaos.

2) If you find a way, be sure to publish it!
 
Google for "Feigenbaum constant".

But be warned that the errors in your numerical integration will make it hard to "see" more than a small number of period doublings. If you want to study this numerically you might do better with the fundamental "logistic map" equation x_{n+1} = a x_n(1 - x_n)
 
Yes absolutely i realize now that the step size has to be miniscule! This is the paper I'm trying to simulate http://prl.aps.org/abstract/PRL/v47/i19/p1349_1

I wish I had been given a "simpler" model but alas, as all professors demand the impossible, I was given this ;p

Well I see what you both mean...i'll have to go smaller and smaller!
 

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