Permutation/Combination Theorem: Solving Problem 46b & 47a

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The discussion revolves around the application of permutation and combination theorems in solving specific problems related to selecting and arranging people for a picture involving a bride and groom. The original poster seeks clarification on when to apply each theorem, particularly in the context of Problems 46b and 47a, which involve different group sizes and placement considerations.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster questions the criteria for using permutations versus combinations, noting differences in group size and placement requirements for the bride and groom. They also inquire how changes in these conditions would affect the answers to the problems.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring the implications of placement and selection criteria on the application of theorems. Some have provided insights regarding the answers to the problems, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct approach or final answers yet.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted confusion regarding the conditions of the problems, particularly about whether the bride and groom must be included in the picture and how their placement affects the selection process. The original poster also references a theorem document that may not be fully detailed in the discussion.

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Question 1:

My question is how do I know when to use the permutation theorem or comination theorem?

Theorem in paint document

I'm asking because I would have used permutation thm. on 46 but I was wrong.


Problem 46 b. and Problem 47 a. seem similar. The two main differences that I see are
1. 46. We are given a group of ten people to choose from
47. We are given a group of six people to choose from

2. 46. Placement of bride and groom does not matter (Bride and groom must be in picture- No reference to placement)
47. Placement of bride and groom matters (Bride must be next to groom)

Therefore do I use combination if Placement matters?
And permutation if placement does not matter?

Question 2:
How would the answer to 46 b change if bride must be next to groom?
and
how would answer to 47 a change if bride and groom must be in picture?
 

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I agree with you. The answer given to 46b is for choosing the 6 people, not for arranging them in a row.
If you care to post your answers to 46a,b,c I (or someone) will check them.
 
for number 47 part a. If i changed the problem to, the bride and groom must be in the picture then the answer would be,
4 choose 4 = 1.
 
Miike012 said:
for number 47 part a. If i changed the problem to, the bride and groom must be in the picture then the answer would be,
4 choose 4 = 1.
Did you mean 'must not be in the picture'?
 

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