Perpetual Fusion: T + P => He-3 + Energy

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The discussion revolves around a proposed alternative fusion reaction involving tritium (T) and protons (P) that aims to generate helium-3 (He-3) and energy, while also suggesting a self-regenerating mechanism for tritium production. Participants explore the feasibility and implications of this reaction, touching on concepts from nuclear fusion, particle interactions, and the conditions necessary for such reactions to occur.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a fusion reaction where T and P produce neutrons and protons, ultimately leading to the generation of He-3 and energy, suggesting a self-sustaining cycle.
  • Another participant challenges the feasibility of the proposed reaction, arguing that lithium-6 would be rapidly consumed in existing fusion processes and that the conditions for the proposed reactions are unrealistic.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that the main challenge lies in combining tritons and protons to form isolated neutrons and protons, and acknowledges the idea may be flawed.
  • Concerns are raised about the likelihood of positrons annihilating with electrons rather than participating in the proposed reactions, and the stability of He-4 is noted as a barrier to the proposed interactions.
  • Clarification is sought regarding the term "imaginary sphere," which is described as an environment filled with positrons.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the proposed energy release mechanisms are not applicable in thermonuclear explosions, citing the low energy release of certain reactions and their low probability of occurrence.

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Participants express multiple competing views regarding the feasibility of the proposed fusion reaction and the underlying assumptions. There is no consensus on the validity of the initial proposal or the mechanisms described.

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Participants highlight limitations related to the assumptions about particle interactions, the conditions required for fusion, and the stability of the nuclei involved. The discussion reflects uncertainty regarding the proposed mechanisms and their practical implications.

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In normal hydrogen bomb tritium and deuterium atoms fuse and lithium-6 is used as a regenerator of tritium.I have got a new alternative in which the regenerator is produced in the reaction itself .Here is it-

T + P => 2n + 2p {eq .taken in multiple of two}

4p => He-4 + e+(positron) + v {Energy released}

e+(positron) + 2n + He-3 => T + 2p

p + e+(positron) + 2n => He-3

Thus in whole process almost everything is recovered and until it gradually changes into energy.

Here- (T is Triton p is proton, D is deuteron)
(He-3 is helium nucleus of mass 3)
(v is neutrino, He-4 is helium ion.)
(e+ is positron {present in imaginary sphere})


That's all please help me to correct if i am wrong.
 
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In normal hydrogen bomb tritium and deuterium atoms fuse and lithium-6 is used as a regenerator of tritium.
Ummm . . . No!

The fusion reaction takes place over microseconds and Li-6 if present would be rapidly consumed in D + Li6 which has a number of outcomes ->
1. 3He + 4He + n
2. 2 4He
3. 1H
4. 7Be + n

and the p-p cycle, which fuels many stars like our sun, requires very high particle densities, which do not exist long enough in a thermonuclear explosion.

e+(positron) + 2n + He-3 = T + 2p
p + e+ 2n = He-3
expecting 3 or 4 particle to combine as such is unrealistic.
 
But if we carry the reaction in (positron atmosphere )...imaginary.
THen,we have only two reactants to combine, I thought that main problem in this unrealistic rection is to combine triton and proton to form isolated neutrons and protons!
Better if u consider it as a totally new rubbish idea!
 
The positron would more likely annhilate with an electron. He-3 would readily absorb thermal neutrons, but in the fission/fusion reaction, the neutrons are prompt and fast (> 1 MeV). I don't see 2n combining with He-3, and even if one did to form He-4, He-4 has a very, very low absorption cross-section for neutrons - it is one of the most stable nuclei.

p + e+(positron) + 2n => He-3
just isn't going to happen

(e+ is positron {present in imaginary sphere})
I don't understand 'imaginary sphere'! :confused:
 
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Imaginary sphere means environment in which reaction is going to be carried is full of positrons.
 
If the source of positrons is - 4p => He-4 + e+(positron) + v {Energy released} - this is not going to happen in a thermonuclear explosion. There is a reason the DT and LiD reactions were selected - among them, the fact the energy release of p+p-> d+e+ is only 1.4 MeV, and another - the cross-section of pp is very low, i.e. has low probability of occurring. http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr162/lect/energy/ppchain.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proton-proton_chain

http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/articles/fusion/sun_pp-chain.html

http://zebu.uoregon.edu/~rayfrey/321/lecture5.pdf
 
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