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honestrosewater said:
Cool. I see your thalami in the first one. Eh, you have two of them, right?
I hope so! Let me check. Hm. Anyone have a really long wire?

Actually, I believe that just the singular "thalamus" refers to both 'halves' on either side.

edit: Then again, I think I've seen thalami used as well. So, not sure what the proper usage is, or if they're equally acceptable.
 
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hypnagogue said:
You can kind of see the wings of one of the bats in the second one.
Right you are! I thought that was a snail, but now that I've enlarged it...
 
hypnagogue said:
I recently participated in an fMRI experiment studying the interaction of emotion and cognition. Here are a few pictures of me taken by those snazzy MRI cameras.
What a handsome cerebrum! It's no wonder HRW has the hots for you.

I have some CAT scans from a few years back, but I could never post them now. They just wouldn't compare.
 
zoobyshoe said:
I have some CAT scans from a few years back
I scanned my cat a couple of times, but it didn't work too well. Things are much easier now that I have a digital camera.
 
Danger said:
I scanned my cat a couple of times, but it didn't work too well. Things are much easier now that I have a digital camera.
That's expensive. I just ran my head over the checkout scanners at the supermarket. The register then goes into a special mode and will print out all the infrmation about your brain that is encoded on the alien implant at the base of your skull, or up your nose.
 
I didn't actually mean diagnostically. I just wanted a picture of her on the computer.:redface:
 
I find brains attractive in a person, but not so much in that way.
 
hypnagogue said:
Actually, I believe that just the singular "thalamus" refers to both 'halves' on either side.

edit: Then again, I think I've seen thalami used as well. So, not sure what the proper usage is, or if they're equally acceptable.
Yeah, thinking of them as halves makes sense. I've seen 'right thalamus' and 'left thalamus' and such but the whole just called 'the thalamus'. Anyway, how was it? Did you learn anything?

(zooby just likes to start trouble.)
 
honestrosewater said:
Anyway, how was it? Did you learn anything?
It was OK. I don't have any fear of enclosed spaces, but I was still a bit uncomfortable and anxious to slide into that very small MRI space strapped down and everything. But that went away pretty quickly.

Subjectively, the most interesting thing was the noises made by the fMRI machine. First of all, it's quite loud, and they had me put in earplugs before going in. There's a perpetual, rhythmic banging kind of noise that the experimenter joked would make a good techno beat. (I guess that noise is related to the generation of the magnetic field.) Then whenever they scan your brain while you're doing some task, there's an additional noise whose sound I've mostly forgotten by now-- I think it was kind of whiney and droning.

Finally there was a third kind of noise that occurred when they were doing the structural scan (which is what generated the pictures I've posted here). That was the really interesting one. It was a periodic droning electronic kind of noise (lasting about 3 or 4 seconds I'd say) that steadily rose in pitch, from deep to fairly high, before pausing briefly and beginning all over again. It was very trancey. There was something like 10 or 15 minutes of this. As time went on, the bursts of trancey noise rose in pitch earlier in their lifespans-- I'm guessing this was because they were doing their axial scans one by one, starting from about my chin and moving up, so the spatial source of the noise was changing with respect to my ears. Anyway, what was interesting to me about this was that if I chose to focus my attention on the trancey drones, they would actually sound different than if I paid them no particular attention. In particular, towards the end of each cycle, if I paid attention, I heard what seemed like mildly hallucinatory dancings and phrasings and echos playing off from the actual noises. (Don't know if that makes sense, it's hard to explain.) I wonder what the cause was-- I wonder if something about the magnetic field or radio waves in my immediate environment was having some subtle effect on the activity of my auditory neurons. Or then again maybe it's nothing that exotic, but it's still strange.

Yes, that structural scan was pretty trancey with the droning tones and the perpetual beat of the MRI machine floating in the background. I was also instructed during this time to stay still and keep my mind free of thoughts, and I was in that enclosed space where the only thing I could see (via a mirror) was what was projected onto a screen, which during this time was someone's laptop computer desktop image of huge bright yellow flowers against a deep blue clear sky, a kind of exaggeratedly calm and almost trippy image in its own right. So with all that going on I did get into a bit of a zone.

As for the experiment itself, nothing too special there. I was shown a series of images, some of them of negative emotional valence and some neutral, and after viewing each image I rated how aroused I felt on a scale of 1 to 5, and also how 'bad' I felt, from 1 to 5. Before each image I saw one of three cues which told me what to expect. One meant "neutral image coming up," one meant "negative image coming up-- just react naturally" and one meant "negative image coming up-- reinterpret the image so it doesn't seem negative." The reinterpretation consisted of things like "oh, those are just actors, that's not a real situation" or "OK, he's hurt, but he's about to get medical attention and he'll be fine." I was free to make up whatever interpretation I wanted, though the experimenter went over some strategies with me beforehand.

There wasn't really much to be learned for me from the experiment. The main thing I guess they were looking for was to see what brain regions mediate negative emotional reactions and particularly, what brain regions mediate cognitive inhibition of or coping with negative emotional reactions. That's stuff to be learned from the brain scan in conjunction with the data of my responses. I don't think it's too informative if you just look at the behavioral components.
 
Danger, I need an explanation of your sig. I don't get it...
 
hypnagogue said:
Anyway, what was interesting to me about this was that if I chose to focus my attention on the trancey drones, they would actually sound different than if I paid them no particular attention. In particular, towards the end of each cycle, if I paid attention, I heard what seemed like mildly hallucinatory dancings and phrasings and echos playing off from the actual noises. (Don't know if that makes sense, it's hard to explain.) I wonder what the cause was-- I wonder if something about the magnetic field or radio waves in my immediate environment was having some subtle effect on the activity of my auditory neurons. Or then again maybe it's nothing that exotic, but it's still strange.
Yes, that structural scan was pretty trancey with the droning tones and the perpetual beat of the MRI machine floating in the background. I was also instructed during this time to stay still and keep my mind free of thoughts,
Maybe that was the real test. I wonder whether people respond to those instructions in a similar way. How exactly do you keep your mind free of thoughts? And what does that look like? Eh, I'm not asking so much as thinking out loud.
As for the experiment itself, nothing too special there. I was shown a series of images, some of them of negative emotional valence and some neutral, and after viewing each image I rated how aroused I felt on a scale of 1 to 5, and also how 'bad' I felt, from 1 to 5.
'aroused' as in your physical reaction and 'bad' as in a cognitive appraisal? I just finished reading a little about theories of emotion (I'm trying to figure out how to manage some of mine). Do you know anything about the attribution-of-arousal theory (a.k.a. cognitive arousal theory)?
Did they give you time to recover between images?
 
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This is me totally unaware that I was having a photo taken of me.

http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/2338/memberphoto2yo.jpg

Although that was a good few days ago.
 
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Psh, seen that before (much to my dismay...)
 
Yeah, it's not me, as indicated by matthyaouw's premature joke-homicide there (my shorts are much shorter than that). It's actually a cover of a record that matthyaouw has apparently seen before... (mm hmmm, let's not ask where).
 
El Hombre Invisible said:
Yeah, it's not me,
Well, it couldn't be after all. Who would expect a photo of an invisible man?
 
honestrosewater said:
How exactly do you keep your mind free of thoughts? And what does that look like?
Yeah, I actually laughed when the experimenter told me to do that because he just said it so matter-of-factly. "Ho hum, tie your shoes, snap your fingers, clear your mind of all thoughts." They know it's not trivial of course, but I guess there's not much more you can say. And even if you fail to keep your mind free of thoughts, just trying to do so is likely to produce a less noisy brain image than if you're letting your mind roam free.

honestrosewater said:
'aroused' as in your physical reaction and 'bad' as in a cognitive appraisal?
They didn't really specify. I suppose they're content going with colloquial interpretations, which I don't think is bad-- intuitively, there's an identifiable feeling of being aroused and one of feeling 'bad' (I don't know if that's exactly how they phrased it, but it was something simple), and they're pretty clearly distinct.

honestrosewater said:
I just finished reading a little about theories of emotion (I'm trying to figure out how to manage some of mine). Do you know anything about the attribution-of-arousal theory (a.k.a. cognitive arousal theory)?
Not really, but it sounds like it might have something to do with attributing emotions to aroused states. (e.g. experiments have shown that people who are played a recording of a rapid heart beat and told that it is a recording of their own heart tend to feel anxious as a result.) Maybe post something about it over in the Mind & Brain Sciences forum? :smile:

honestrosewater said:
Did they give you time to recover between images?
Yes, there's the pause to record assessments of arousal and affect, then there's another brief pause with a fixation point, and finally the time you spend looking at the cue. Altogether I'd say there was about 5 or 6 seconds inbetween actually viewing images. On some trials they also presented a cue without showing an image afterwards and then asked for arousal/affect ratings before repeating the cuing process.
 
Hypnagogue, I thought there was something out of place as I looked at your scans, so I brought them to the local MRI clinic, and sure enough they saw it too:


HypnocerebrumSevereleft.jpg
 
:smile: :smile: So that's what happens when you try to clear your mind of all thoughts.
 
It is physically impossible for bats and marbles to occupy space within the same brain.
Zoobies manage it.
 
Math Is Hard said:
Very pretty, Evo! Where were you off to? Was this taken this weekend?
Going to a holiday party a couple of years ago. I don't have very many pictures of me standing, I'm always sitting.
 
Evo said:
A rare full length photo of Evo going to a party.

On behalf of the men of PF,

WOW!

Repeating myself of many moons ago - Simply stunning, and of course, very beautiful!
 
Oh my my my... Astronuc has earned the right to speak on my behalf when ever he likes.:approve: