Phase difference of two moving particle

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The discussion revolves around the phase difference between two moving particles, focusing on their velocities and the implications of their motion. Participants are examining the definitions of leading and lagging particles and the clarity of the problem statement.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are attempting to calculate the velocities of the particles and are questioning how to determine which particle is leading or lagging based on the problem's wording. There is also a discussion about the implications of negative velocity and how to interpret the motion of the particles without graphical representation.

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Some participants have provided calculations for the velocities of the particles and are exploring the meanings behind their signs. There is an ongoing examination of the assumptions made in the problem, particularly regarding the definitions of leading and lagging particles. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being discussed, but no consensus has been reached.

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Participants note that the problem does not explicitly state which particle is leading or lagging, leading to confusion. There are also concerns about the clarity of the problem statement and the assumptions regarding the motion of the particles.

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Homework Statement



the question doesn't state that which particle is leading/lagging which particle.

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for the first particle, my working is 10 sin(2pi/3 )= 8.66cm

for the second paticle, my working is 10 sin(2pi/3+ 30pi/180)= 5 cm
so my final answer is 8.66-5 = 3.66

the sample ans is attached below.

how do we know that the second particle is lagging behind first particle?
 

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desmond iking said:
how do we know that the second particle is lagging behind first particle?
I think it's just a question of language: the first particle is the leading particle simply because the leader is first by definition. The question could have been written more clearly.

I assume you have noticed that the given answer to the second part is obviously wrong.
 
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how do we know that both particles are moving away form moving closer to each other?
 
In general, you look at the velocity of each. In this case, you can tell the velocity of one of the particles by inspection (using the numerical results from the answer sheet).
 
v_1 = 10 w cos(wt) = 10 (5/3 pi) cos(4/3 pi x 0.5) = -26.2 cm/s

v_2 = 10 w cos(wt-pi/6) = 10(5/3 pi) cos(4/3 pi x 0.5 - pi/6) = 0 cm/s.

my foundation for positive and negative velocity, and acceleration isn't good.
v1 is negative what does it mean?how to solve it without the help of the graphs?
 
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desmond iking said:
v_1 = 10 w cos(wt) = 10 (5/3 pi) cos(4/3 pi x 0.5) = -26.2 cm/s
That should be ##4\pi/3##, not ##5\pi/3##, but generally correct.

v_2 = 10 w cos(wt-pi/6) = 10(5/3 pi) cos(4/3 pi x 0.5 - pi/6) = 0 cm/s.
Correct.

my foundation for positive and negative velocity, and acceleration isn't good.
v1 is negative what does it mean?
It means that the direction is opposite to the direction of positive velocity. Assuming ##x## increases to the right, then ##v## also increases to the right, and a negative velocity is to the left.

how to solve it without the help of the graphs?
I'm not sure what you mean, since you just did solve it without a graph. If you are asking what I meant when I said one of the velocities could be found by inspection, the second particle's position was at ##x = 10##, and you know from the problem statement that the amplitude of the motion was also ##10##. So that particle was at the extreme of its motion, so its velocity had to be zero at that moment.
 

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