How Do Phase Speed and Maximum Particle Speed Compare in a Transverse Wave?

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The discussion revolves around a transverse wave traveling through a wire, described by the equation y(x,t)=53*10^{-6}sin(188t-3.14x). Participants are tasked with finding the ratio of the phase wave speed to the maximum particle speed of the wire particles in the wave's motion.

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  • Participants explore the concept of phase speed and its calculation, questioning how to derive the maximum speed of the wire particles from the given wave equation. There is discussion about the relationship between the phase velocity and the motion of individual wire particles.

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Several participants have provided insights into the nature of transverse waves and the definition of phase velocity. There is an ongoing exploration of how to calculate the velocities involved, with some participants questioning their understanding of the phase velocity and its implications for the motion of wire particles.

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transverse wave is traveling through a wire in a positive direction of the x-axes. Distance od the wire particles in the motion of the wave can be described as ##y(x,t)=53*10^{-6}sin(188t-3.14x)## Find the ratio of the phase wave speed and maximal speed of the wire particles in the motion of the wave.

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The phase speed is suppose to be ##w/k## right? So that makes it around 60. But what is the second term? How do i get that?
 
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The key here is to understand what the wire particles are doing.

We know it's a transverse wave.
Transverse waves are the ones where the individual vibrations move at 90 degree angles to the direction the overall wave moves in. The wire moves up and down, but the ripples in the wire travel along its length (90 degrees from the vertical direction).

What does that mean for the individual wire particles?

For any wire particle, we have the height y, the distance along the horizontal direction x, and the time t
How would we figure out the velocity of an individual wire particle from those variables?
 
jfizzix said:
The key here is to understand what the wire particles are doing.

We know it's a transverse wave.
Transverse waves are the ones where the individual vibrations move at 90 degree angles to the direction the overall wave moves in. The wire moves up and down, but the ripples in the wire travel along its length (90 degrees from the vertical direction).

What does that mean for the individual wire particles?

For any wire particle, we have the height y, the distance along the horizontal direction x, and the time t
How would we figure out the velocity of an individual wire particle from those variables?
Well since we have the position, isn't the velocity just the derivative of that position? And is my phase velocity correct?
 
Since this is a homework forum, I don't think I can just tell you what the answer is, since you should be able to prove it to yourself.

As far as phase velocity goes, it's more than just a formula. It's the velocity of a point of constant phase. The phase of the wave is the number you take the sine of in a sine wave. Here, it's an expression in terms of x and t.
The point x where sin(188t -3.14x)=0 is a point that changes with changing time since as t increases, x must increase as well to keep 188t -3.14x a constant value.
The velocity of this point of constant phase is by definition the phase velocity.
 
jfizzix said:
Since this is a homework forum, I don't think I can just tell you what the answer is, since you should be able to prove it to yourself.

As far as phase velocity goes, it's more than just a formula. It's the velocity of a point of constant phase. The phase of the wave is the number you take the sine of in a sine wave. Here, it's an expression in terms of x and t.
The point x where sin(188t -3.14x)=0 is a point that changes with changing time since as t increases, x must increase as well to keep 188t -3.14x a constant value.
The velocity of this point of constant phase is by definition the phase velocity.
So the velocity of the constant phase point is then ##v(x)=188/3.14## ?
 
If we look at the point \tilde{x} of constant phase 188t -3.14\tilde{x}=0
then we solve for \tilde{x} , and find:
\tilde{x}=\frac{188}{3.14}t

This point \tilde{x} changes with time at a constant rate, which is the phase velocity.
 

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