Phase voltages in line-to-neutral fault

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The discussion revolves around understanding phase voltages during a line-to-ground fault in a power system, specifically when the neutral is solidly grounded and two phases are open. Participants explore the implications of symmetrical components in this context, questioning how phase voltages behave under these conditions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about why phase voltages (Vag, Vbg) do not remain equal to their pre-fault values, given that the neutral is solidly grounded and Phase B and C are open.
  • Another participant suggests that the current in the healthy phases is often neglected in calculations, which may lead to the assumption that voltages remain unchanged.
  • Contrary to the previous point, a participant asserts that phase voltages do change significantly during such faults, indicating a lack of understanding of the underlying reasons.
  • One participant explains that during a line-to-ground fault, the symmetrical components matrix shows that voltages are influenced by short-circuit conditions in other phases, particularly due to voltage drops in zero sequence impedances.
  • Further elaboration indicates that synchronous machines can generate negative and zero sequence components due to unbalanced currents, affecting electromotive force and armature reaction.
  • A later reply seeks clarification on how negative and zero sequence voltages are created by unbalanced currents in the generator, specifically referencing magnetomotive force (mmf) in the airgap.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the behavior of phase voltages during the fault. There are competing views regarding the impact of unbalanced currents and the role of symmetrical components, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that assumptions about current in healthy phases and the effects of zero sequence impedances may not be fully addressed, leading to uncertainty in the analysis.

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This discussion may be of interest to students and professionals in electrical engineering, particularly those focused on power systems and fault analysis.

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Hello, I'm a very slow learner! I try to understand every piece of the information that is given. And recently I was solving some problems involving symmetrical components and I couldn't figure this one out:

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-The neutral is solidly grounded.
-Phase B and C are open.
-You're shorting Phase A trough a zero impedance.

My question is:

How the he$£ those phase voltages become that?

I mean, I would expect Phase A and B voltage (Vag, Vbg) to be equal to before the fault, since it is open circuit and the neutral is solidly grounded.

Plus, a zero-sequence and negative-sequence voltage components are present in that. Wasn't the generator suppose to only supply positive-sequence voltage?

Despite all that, I'm sure the exercise is correct, but I do not know why is that.

Hope you can help me :) !
 
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What is normally neglected in the calculation is the current in the healthy phases, hence they are "open" compared to the faulty one. But I agree with you, the phase voltajes are the same (if neutral displacement, voltage drops by homopolar currents, and other phenomena are not considered).
 
Sadly, It is not what happen. I saw more exercises like this one (LN fault) and the phase voltages do change, a lot.
But still don't know why kkkkkkk.
Pretty interesting stuff.

If someone has any idea why, it would be very appreciated
 
In a L-G fault, when you apply the symmetrical components matrix to the calculation to get the voltages after the currents are calculated, they are affected by the SC in the other phase. One cause is the voltage drops in the zero sequence impedances which in normal balanced conditions have no current.
The synchronous machines have inverse and zero sequence, of the same magnitude order of the transient direct impedance. When there are unbalanced currents, it is the alternator which generates them, with an inverse and a zero sequence mmf in the airgap, thus with inverse and zero components in the electromotive force also.
 
xareu said:
In a L-G fault, when you apply the symmetrical components matrix to the calculation to get the voltages after the currents are calculated, they are affected by the SC in the other phase. One cause is the voltage drops in the zero sequence impedances which in normal balanced conditions have no current.
The synchronous machines have inverse and zero sequence, of the same magnitude order of the transient direct impedance. When there are unbalanced currents, it is the alternator which generates them, with an inverse and a zero sequence mmf in the airgap, thus with inverse and zero components in the electromotive force also.

Thanks a lot for your reply!

I think I understand what you are saying. So, you do have zero sequence and negative sequence voltages created by unbalanced currents in the generator? Is that right? And if yes, would you know how they actually create this voltages? You some things about the mmf in the airgap but I couldn't quite get that.

Thanks a lot
 
Well, as you have negative and zero sequences currents, you have negative and zero sequence voltages and armature reaction, thus mmf in the airgap and electromotive force
 
I recommend you the group Power System Analysis in Linkedin for more expertise than I have.
 

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