Is leisure time a prerequisite for the study of philosophy (e. g., the Ancient Greeks)? Can't one contemplate existence while concerned for self-survival?
Originally posted by Iacchus32
Remember the Sabbath? Yes, this is the day set aside which gives us time to reflect.
Actually my reply was more in response to Tiberius who brought up the notion of religion.Originally posted by Mentat
The Sabbath was a part of the Law of the Israelites. The Israelites were not primitive h-and-g people, but had a reasonably sophisticated civilization, for the time they lived in. I think Loren is talking about the times when man was hunted as any other "beast", and needed to focus on survival at all times (in which case it would seem rather impossible to find time to reflect on the pursuit of wisdom).
BTW, Loren, please tell me if I'm wrong about my interpretation of your question.
Originally posted by Iacchus32
Actually my reply was more in response to Tiberius who brought up the notion of religion.
The thread is titled "Philosophy without leisure" and there's nothing about his question that suggests he's talking about primitive man (directly that is). The question could be just as valid today as it was 10,000 years ago. In fact people are so busy nowadays, trying to keep up with the rat race -- in "survival mode" if you will -- that they have little time to take out for themselves.Originally posted by Mentat
I know, but Tiberius was responding to Loren's question, and thus was discussing the actual nature (in primitive man) of religion, as opposed to the religious customs of a civilized society. Besides, I wasn't just fretting about some small mistake, I was making a point: There couldn't be any alotted time for reflection in "barbaric" situations. And yet this appears to be necessary (as you mentioned, the Sabbath was set aside for it), and thus deep philosophical reflection would be rather impossible for primitive man.
People need a philosophy (be it religious or secular) and when you don't have time to sit on the marble steps in debate all day, it suffices to let the preacher pour it in your skull for an hour a week.
Originally posted by Loren Booda
Which branches of philosophy would then be best adapted toward leisure, and which toward survival? I would say our survival instincts have mostly been sublimated to intellectual abstraction, whereas our leisure is primarily externalized distraction from such concerns.
Wow ! That's great !Originally posted by Kerrie
then again, i drive about 800 miles a week, and that invokes A LOT of philosophical thought...i have come to enjoy going on my long drives (although it IS for work ) because it gives me a lot of time for thinking...
That's understandable, but it's like you said, you only spend an hour or so in church, but still have the rest of the day to reflect. And then again a lot of "damage" can incur within an hour I suppose? ... It might require the rest of the day to recover.Originally posted by Tiberius
My comments point to the difference between doing your own "philosophizing" and having an appointed philosopher for the community as a division of labor thing, who's words you just accept without question (and I'm counting theology as a subset of philosophy here). Of all things, I wouldn't say traditional sabbath church-going was "reflection" - more, "absorbtion".