Photon-photon collision - electron-anti electron pair creation

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The problem involves the collision of two photons resulting in the creation of an electron and a positron. The energy of one photon is known, while the energy of the second photon is not provided. The objective is to find the velocity β of the system's rest frame where the total momentum is zero.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the need for additional information regarding the second photon's energy to solve the problem. There is an exploration of the relationship between the energies of the photons and the resulting speed β, with some suggesting that the problem may require expressing β in terms of E1 and E2.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants offering insights into the relationships between the energies involved and questioning the assumptions made regarding kinetic energy. Some guidance has been provided regarding the algebraic manipulation needed to express the energies in a manageable form.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted constraint regarding the lack of information about the second photon's energy, which is critical for solving the problem. Additionally, the discussion references the minimum energy required for the second photon based on the rest mass of the created particles.

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Homework Statement


two photons collide head-on and create an electron and an anti electron. The energy of photon 1 is given, but not for photon 2.
Find the velocity β of the systems rest frame (where the total momentum is zero.)

Homework Equations


β=v/c
γ=1/√1-β^2)
β=pc/E

The Attempt at a Solution


I have tried this every way I could think of, by adding the two momentum four vectors and using a lorentz transform on them, by using the formula for speed of the rest from β=pc/E, but no matter what, I always need the energy of the second photon. How do I get around needing this?!

Thank you for your help
 
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Do you have any other constraints? You can't solve the problem without more information.
 
You can find the energy converted because the total rest mass of the electron and positron is known and I guess that any KE they gain can be considered as negligible.
 
Well that's the thing; I'm pretty sure now that the problem just wants the speed β in terms of E1 and E2, because a later part of the question asks to find the minimum energy required for the second photon. The only problem is that now that β=(E1-E2)/(E1+E2), that makes both γ and βγ very messy constants, which makes solving for E2 impossible (at least for me and maple) The minimum energy would be 1.022E6 eV (2m_eC^2) and the first photon has an energy of 1E12 eV, and by doing the lorentz transform on the added momentum frames, you get an equation for E' (which is shown below in the attachments.) Then E'=1.022E6 eV, E1=1E12 eV, and I have no idea how to solve for E2... haha
 

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You made an algebraic error. The units on the RHS is energy cubed. You should have
$$E' = \frac{4E_1E_2}{(E_1+E_2)\sqrt{1-\frac{(E_1-E_2)^2}{(E_1+E_2)^2}}}.$$ That will simplify down quite a bit.
 

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