Photons emitted by an accelerated charge

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The discussion revolves around the emission of electromagnetic waves by accelerated charges, exploring both classical and quantum mechanical perspectives. Participants delve into the derivation of radiation patterns from Maxwell's equations, the implications of boundary conditions, and the quantum mechanical treatment of photon detection affecting the electromagnetic field.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that deriving radiation from Maxwell's equations can be challenging and that the radiation pattern may depend on the charge's motion history.
  • Others argue that the radiation pattern does not depend on history, asserting that only the retarded time is necessary for calculations, as described in Jackson's work.
  • A participant references the importance of boundary conditions in understanding particle self-energy and radiation, citing De Broglie's wave mechanics.
  • Another participant mentions a paper by H. A. Haus that presents an alternative derivation of radiation fields, emphasizing the role of Fourier components and the conditions under which charges radiate.
  • Some participants discuss the implicit nature of the retarded time equation and its dependence on the charge's motion, with one asserting that for complicated motions, finding an exact solution is not feasible.
  • Another participant counters that the retarded location of the particle can be determined without considering its entire history, focusing instead on a single instant in time.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relevance of the charge's motion history in determining radiation patterns, with some asserting it is crucial while others maintain it is not. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of boundary conditions and the interpretation of retarded time.

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Limitations include the dependence on specific definitions of boundary conditions and the unresolved nature of certain mathematical steps in deriving radiation patterns.

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Almost everyone is familiar with the sentence "accelerated charges radiate em waves".

Nevertheless, if you are asked to derive this starting from Maxwell's equations, you might find it difficult. Surely the radiation pattern depends on the history of the motion of the charge.

Then, there comes an even harder problem: Consider the quantum-mechanical problem of the em field coupled to a 4-current corresponding to the accelerated motion of the charge. Treat this as a classical source term, without considering the dynamics of the charge. Can we find the differential cross-section of photons with a particular frequency and polarization being radiated in a particular direction?

Finally, this cross section is some sort of probability. Suppose a photon is detected. Will this alter the field in some way, similar to the disturbance of quantum particles by measuring their position/momentum, and, if so, how?
 
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This is too good a question to disappear without response. One place to start would be the QM savy chapter 16 of Jackson's "Classical Electrodynamics" which takes a fairly thorough study of radiation reaction. But Jackson begins the chapter with the caveat that a fully satisfactory understanding cannot be found at this point because that would entail a better understanding of elementary particles and what their self energy is and how that affects radiation.

I'd interpret that remark to mean that the physics of elementary particles is developed around the idea of symmetries in spatially extended fields that have different qualities in different types of particles. The creation and annihilation of all types of particles, even with fractional charges, is well described but I've never seen an attempt made at determining boundary conditions for the fields comprising the particles. Boundary conditions would enclose the energy of the particle in a way that could give it qualities of self energy.

De Broglie, in the context of Wave Mechanics, has expressed that problem in the fact that, with no boundary conditions, all waves associated with particles would very quickly dissipate. The overlooked importance of Mossoti's definition of charge is brought to bear on this especially well in that his definition expresses charge in terms of a boundary condition.
 
Nevertheless, if you are asked to derive this starting from Maxwell's equations, you might find it difficult. Surely the radiation pattern depends on the history of the motion of the charge.
Actually no, it does not depend at all on the history. And the only boundary condition needed is the retarded one. If you take a look in Jackson, Chap 14, the Lienard-Weichert potentials for an accelerating charge are given, and they are quite simple. They depend only on the instantaneous location and velocity of the charge at the retarded time.
 
But, the retarded time in those equations is found from the condition:
<br /> \vert \mathbf{x} - \mathbf{r}(t_{ret}) \vert = c \, (t - t_{ret})<br />
where (\mathbf{x}, t) are the space-time coordinates where the potential is calculated, and \mathbf{r}(t) is the equation of motion for the charge.

As you can see, this is an implicit equation for t_{ret}(\mathbf{x}, t) that strongly depends on the motion of the charge (its history). For complicated motions, it is impossible to solve exactly.
 
You may find this paper interesting: "On the radiation from point charges" by H. A. Haus from American Journal of Physics, Volume 54, Issue 12, pp. 1126-1129 (1986)

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1986AmJPh..54.1126H

An alternative derivation of the radiation field of a point charge is presented. It starts with the Fourier components of the current produced by the moving charge. The electric field is found from the vector wave equation. Each step in the integration permits physical interpretation. The retarded time appears very naturally in this derivation. The interpretation of the present derivation is that a charge at constant velocity v(||v||<c) does not radiate, not because it is unaccelerated, but because it has no Fourier components synchronous with waves traveling at the speed of light. Of course, Cherenkov radiation in a medium, in which the velocity of electromagnetic propagation is less than c, is the classic example of radiation by a charge moving at constant velocity.
 
As you can see, this is an implicit equation for tret(x,t) that strongly depends on the motion of the charge (its history). For complicated motions, it is impossible to solve exactly.
At the observation point P, construct the past null cone. This intersects the world line of the source at exactly one point Q, which is the retarded location of the particle. No "history", only one instant. The fact that you may not be able to write down a simple analytic solution for Q is irrelevant.
 
Bill_K said:
At the observation point P, construct the past null cone. This intersects the world line of the source at exactly one point Q, which is the retarded location of the particle. No "history", only one instant. The fact that you may not be able to write down a simple analytic solution for Q is irrelevant.

OK, thanks for your help. Have a nice day.
 

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