Physical meaning of a result in Bragg's diffraction

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The discussion revolves around Bragg's diffraction, specifically comparing the diffraction angles of electrons and photons with the same kinetic energy of 4 keV, and the implications of their differing wavelengths due to their mass and energy relationships.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the calculations of diffraction angles for electrons and photons, questioning the reasons behind the differences in results. They discuss the relationship between energy, wavelength, and mass, and how these factors influence diffraction.

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Participants have provided various calculations and comparisons of wavelengths for electrons and photons. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of mass on wavelength and diffraction, with some participants questioning the assumptions made in their calculations.

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There is a mention of the need to consider relativistic effects for the electron due to its speed, as well as the significance of significant digits in the calculations. The discussion includes a focus on the definitions of energy and momentum in relation to the problem.

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Homework Statement


The distance between crystal planes in a KCl crystal is about 3.14 \times 10 ^{-10}m. Calculate the Bragg's reflexion angle of first order for electrons with kinetic energy of 4keV. Compare it with photons that have the same energy.

Homework Equations


\lambda n =2d \sin \theta.
For an electron, E _K =(\gamma -1 ) m_e c^2.
\lambda _B =\frac{h}{p} where p=\gamma m_e v.
For photons, E=\frac{hc}{\lambda}.

The Attempt at a Solution


Using the equations above and after some algebra, I calculated the velocity of the electrons to be 21530815.57 \frac{m}{s}, somehow comparable to c.
In the end I found out that for electrons, \sin \theta \approx 0.053378361. I am not sure if theta is in degree or radian. I considered degrees so this gave me about 3.059809004°.
I've done the same for photons (I noticed that they are X-rays since their wavelength is of the order of the Angstrom). I reached \theta =29.59784517°.

I'd like to understand why the results are different and why are the electrons less deviated by the atoms in the crystal than the photons with the same energy.
I guess the mass, the charge and the spin play a role, but I'd like to know which one is greater, etc.
If you have any comment(s) on this, please do it. I'm eager to learn.
Thank you.
 
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For the same energy, have you compared the wave lengths of photon and electron?
 
rl.bhat said:
For the same energy, have you compared the wave lengths of photon and electron?

Hi.
Yes I have. For the electron: around 3.35 x10^-11 m.
For the photon: around 3.10x10^-10m.
So it's obvious that the photon will suffer a bigger angle of diffraction (I have in mind the undergrad lab experiment of diffraction patterns, violet/blue vs red light. The red light, larger wavelength was "more" diffracted than any other color in the visible).
But I don't understand why it is so. For the same energy, a photon will have a larger wavelength than a massive particle; I don't understand why.
 
momentum p = (2mE)^1/2
For photon E = hc/λ or λp = hc/E
For electron λe = h/p = h/ (2mE)^1/2
so λp/λe = c(2m/E)^1/2
Substitute the values and find the ratio.
As you can see the difference in the wave length is due to mass of the electron only.
 
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The energy of the electron is equal to its KE + the energy of the rest mass E=KE+mec2. If the photon has this energy, its wavelength is much shorter than that of the electron. I guess you took the photon energy 4KeV.

ehild
 
rl.bhat said:
momentum p = (2mE)^1/2
For photon E = hc/λ or λp = hc/E
For electron λe = h/p = h/ (2mE)^1/2
so λp/λe = c(2m/E)^1/2
Substitute the values and find the ratio.
As you can see the difference in the wave length is due to mass of the electron only.
Strangely to me, I reach a ratio of 9.23x10^-4 so almost 10^-3. This implies that the electron has a larger wavelength than the photon (by at least a factor 1000), something that goes in counter of my previous result.
If I'm not diffracted with visible object, isn't it because my de Broglie's wavelength is very, very, very short compared to the size of the visible object?
I had never seen the momentum expressed under the form p=(2mE)^1/2. Also I think I should take the relativistic momentum of the electron like I did, because of it's speed.
ehild said:
The energy of the electron is equal to its KE + the energy of the rest mass E=KE+mec2. If the photon has this energy, its wavelength is much shorter than that of the electron. I guess you took the photon energy 4KeV.

ehild
Hmm I see. Indeed, I took a photon with E=4keV.
 
p=(2mE)1/2 is the classical relation between the momentum and kinetic energy.
I think the problem should be understood that the photon has the same energy as the KE of the electron, 4 KeV. So your solution was correct.
As the numeric data were not given with more than 3 significant digits, do not give your results with more digits. v/c <0.1, ignoring its square means about 1 % error, so you can use non-relativistic approximation.

You can also get the momentum of the electron using the relation between total energy E=KE+mec2 and momentum p:

E2=p2c2+me2c4.


ehild
 

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