Physically, what is the difference between systems of ODEs and PDEs?

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The discussion revolves around the differences between systems of ordinary differential equations (ODEs) and partial differential equations (PDEs), focusing on the types of physical systems each can describe. Participants explore theoretical aspects and applications of both ODEs and PDEs in modeling physical phenomena.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that ODEs describe physical phenomena modeled with functions of a single variable, while PDEs involve functions of multiple variables.
  • Others note that PDEs typically arise in systems with dimensions greater than one.
  • One participant provides examples of ODEs, such as classic one-dimensional problems like F = ma, harmonic oscillators, and radioactive decay, while also giving examples of PDEs, including temperature distribution and wave equations that depend on multiple spatial and temporal variables.
  • A later reply presents specific mathematical formulations of ODEs and PDEs, emphasizing their structural differences.
  • Some participants argue that when the number of degrees of freedom is very large, ODEs and PDEs can describe the same physical systems, suggesting a conceptual overlap between the two types of equations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the basic distinctions between ODEs and PDEs, but multiple competing views remain regarding the implications of these distinctions, particularly in the context of systems with large degrees of freedom.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the potential ambiguity in defining the boundaries between ODEs and PDEs, as well as the dependence on the specific physical context in which these equations are applied.

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What kind of systems do ODEs describe?

What kind of systems do PDEs describe?
 
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What kind of systems do ODEs describe?
What kind of systems do PDEs describe?
ODEs are used in case of a physical phenomena which can be modeled with functions of a variable only.
PDEs are used in case of a physical phenomena which can be modeled with functions of not only a variable, but several.
 
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PDEs occur usually in dimension >1.
 
ODE's: problems with one independent variable (like time). Classic 1-dimensional F = ma problems (x depends on t), harmonic oscillators, transient response in a circuit (I depends on t), radioactive decay.

PDE's: problems where there is more than 1 independent variable. Temperature distribution on a plate (depends on x, y, and time), waves on a string, plate or sphere (the amplitude can depend on x,y,z and t), electric potential on a conductor... you get the idea.
 
If

[tex] u:[0,1]\times\mathbb{R}\to\mathbb{R}[/tex]

is some function that is supposed to satisfy

[tex] \partial_t u(x,t) = -\partial_x^2 u(x,t)[/tex]

that is a PDE.

If

[tex] u:\{1,2,\ldots, N\}\times\mathbb{R}\to\mathbb{R}[/tex]

is some function that is supposed to satisfy

[tex] \partial_t u(n,t) = -\frac{1}{N^2}\big(u(n+1,t) - 2u(n,t) + u(n-1,t)\big),\quad\quad (u(0,t)=0,\; u(N+1,t)=0)[/tex]

that is an ODE system.

Physically, what is the difference between systems of ODEs and PDEs?

zheng89120 said:
What kind of systems do ODEs describe?

What kind of systems do PDEs describe?

When the amount of degrees of freedom is very large, physically they describe the same thing, because physically there is no difference in having infinite degrees of freedom or a very large but finite amount of degrees of freedom. You can describe the same physical systems with different mathematical models such that some are ODEs and some are PDEs.
 

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