Physics bullet in wood; I can't figure it out?

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The problem involves a bullet passing through a block of wood, focusing on the concepts of work, energy loss, and average force. The original poster expresses difficulty in applying Newton's laws and kinetic energy formulas to determine the work lost due to friction and the average force exerted by the block.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the work-energy theorem and its application to the problem. Some suggest that the original poster clarify their understanding of energy loss versus work done. Others propose using kinematic equations to find acceleration and force, questioning the need for displacement information.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the relationships between kinetic energy, work, and forces involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the application of the work-energy theorem, but multiple interpretations and approaches are still being explored.

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There is a mention of constraints such as the lack of time information and the assumption about displacement being equal to the thickness of the wood block. The original poster also notes they know the answer but are struggling with the mathematical solution.

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I can't figure this one out. I can't use any of Newtons laws to solve this, kinetic formulas, and w=Em+Ek doesn't seem to be working for energy. I know the answer, but I can't solve it.

kg = kilogram
m/s = meters per second
m = meter

A 0.002kg bullet is traveling at 87 m/s, after passing through a 4 cm block of wood its speed is 12 m/s.

a) How much work is lost due to friction (Answer is -7.4 J but I can't solve it mathematically)
b) Average force of block (Answer is -180 N)

Homework Equations


a) For work lost due to friction I'm guessing they want to know the air resistance, I have no idea how to do this part

b) Average force of block:
wcd = (.5*12^2)-(.5*87^2) = -3 712.5 J

P = w/t but the only problem is no time is supplied. I'm not quite sure what to do


The Attempt at a Solution


a) .5 * 87^2 = .5 * 12^2
 
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Work isn't lost, it's "done." Energy is lost. Do you know the work-energy theorem (I'm not sure if the w=Em+Ek is supposed to be some form of that)?
 
a) KEoriginal must equal the workfriction + KEafter
b) You must find the a that the block causes on the bullet first. Use v22 = v12 + 2ad to solve for a.
 
S_Happens said:
Work isn't lost, it's "done." Energy is lost. Do you know the work-energy theorem (I'm not sure if the w=Em+Ek is supposed to be some form of that)?

Yes, W = Ek2 - Ek1 = 1/2m(v2^2-v1^2)
1/2 * 0.002 * (87^2-12^2) = 7.4 J. I can't believe I forgot about that. Thank you.

tal444 said:
a) KEoriginal must equal the workfriction + KEafter
b) You must find the a that the block causes on the bullet first. Use v22 = v12 + 2ad to solve for a.

I can't solve for a because I don't have the displacement or such, unless it is 4 CM?

87^2 = 12^2 + 2 * a * 0.04

7425/0.08 = a
a = 92 812.5

F = 0.002 * 92 812.5 = 185.62500 N

Thank you for the help, I really appreciate it
 
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Nicely done, and glad to be of help.
 

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