Physics for Chemists: Which areas are of help to chemists

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The discussion revolves around the types of physics courses that a chemistry student should consider to enhance their understanding of chemistry, particularly in the context of solid-state chemistry and material science. Participants explore various physics topics and their relevance to chemistry, as well as the importance of building a versatile academic background.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a desire to catch up on physics, particularly quantum mechanics, to better understand electronic structures and chemical properties.
  • Another participant suggests considering a quantum chemistry class to gain foundational knowledge in quantum mechanics before advancing to solid-state physics.
  • Some participants propose that courses in thermodynamics, statistical mechanics, solid-state physics, condensed matter, and computational physics could be beneficial for a chemistry student focusing on material science.
  • There is mention of the importance of the specific area of chemistry one may work in, as it could influence the choice of physics courses.
  • Participants discuss the potential need for introductory courses in physics, general mechanics, and classical physics, while also considering the possibility of self-study.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of physics courses for a chemistry student, but there are multiple competing views regarding which specific courses are most relevant and beneficial. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal path for integrating physics into a chemistry curriculum.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the choice of courses may depend on the specific focus within chemistry, such as inorganic or physical chemistry, and the interdisciplinary nature of the work one may pursue.

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Hi,

I just finished my bachelor's degree in chemistry, in which I have made sure to get some extra mathematics and statistics (introduction to calculus, linear algebra, and linear differential equations; experimental design, ANOVA, advanced regression). I feel pretty covered here and ready for starting my master's degree.

However, I feel I really lack knowledge in physics, because I have not studied that since high school (and then I didn't really care). I have recently grown interested in solid-state chemistry, or chemistry more tangent to material science, and I have noticed that have a general understanding of quantum mechanics (applied to chemistry) really is important to fully understand electronic structures and, in the end, chemical properties. There is a fine line between chemistry and physics at that level, and I would really like to take a year to "catch up".

I applied for a master's degree, but did not make it - mostly because I failed to send in all required documents! So, that is disappointing, but somehow I got a little relieved. I can now take a year to take some physics courses, and hopefully end with an introductory course in quantum mechanics. Being versatile is important.

My academic writing professor repeatedly said that good science is about finding new connections. Good research finds connections that no-one has considered before, and explains something in terms of something new. This has stuck to me, and I feel by being more versatile in my "academic areas" will do nothing but good.

With this (lengthy) preface of situation, here comes my question: What kinds of physics courses should a chemistry student focus on to better understand chemistry and build versatility? I see myself having to start at the bottom with some kind of "Introduction to physics" and moving on to "General Mechanics" and "Classical Physics", moving on to "Thermodynamics" or something like that. Much of this will be familiar but with new applications, but maybe I could skip some courses that "I do not need"? I know that kind of defeats my idea of being versatile, but I hope you get my point.

I will also take a course in radio-chemistry and a course in instrumental inorganic analysis. I see that my university offers a course called "Physics for Chemical Engineers". There is also one course within material science which I want to take. Should I take a separate course in classical mechanics or classical physics? Thermodynamics? I already have the one physical chemistry course, but the course did in no way cover the entire book. I can of course do some self-study.

I really thank anyone who advices me in this. I do plan on talking with my supervisors, but I hoped to be a little informed before doing so. Again, thank you in advance!Anders

P.s. Link to physics courses: http://www.umb.no/search/emner/?string=fys
 
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Sorry if I missed this but what area of chemistry do you want to specialize in?
 
Solid-state chemistry or something tangent to material science. Of course, that may change during the year, but that is where I am now.
 
Maybe zou want to take some quantum chemistry class. There you will learn basic quantum mechanics and may feel confident to take some solid state physics classes.
 
(Relativistic!) quantum mechanics, thermodynamics and statistics.
 
Chem.Stud. said:
Solid-state chemistry or something tangent to material science. Of course, that may change during the year, but that is where I am now.
It still depends on if you'll be working for an inorganic chemist, physical chemist or someone really interdisciplinary.

That being said, quantum mechanics, stat mech, solid state physics, condensed matter and computational physics courses should be useful.
 

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