Physics Help Greatly Appreciated - Block sliding down ramp

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The problem involves a block sliding down an inclined ramp, with specific parameters including mass, coefficients of friction, and distance. The original poster attempts to calculate the time it takes for the block to slide down the ramp from rest, considering the effects of friction.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the impact of friction on the acceleration of the block, questioning the original poster's assumption of zero friction in their calculations. They suggest reevaluating the force balance and kinematic equations to account for friction.

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Some participants have provided hints about the correct approach to finding the acceleration, emphasizing the need to include friction in the calculations. There is an ongoing exploration of the problem, with no explicit consensus reached yet.

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The original poster's solution was marked incorrect, indicating potential misunderstandings in applying the principles of forces and motion on an incline. The discussion includes reminders about the importance of the student doing the majority of the work.

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Physics Help Greatly Appreciated -- Block sliding down ramp

A 7.7 kg block is on an incline with a coefficient of static friction of 0.50. The angle that the ramp makes with the horizontal is increased gradually, until the block begins to slide down the ramp. If you know that the coefficient of kinetic friction between the block and the plane is 0.34, find the time it will take the block to slide down the ramp a distance of 0.47 m starting from rest.


Ff=uFn




My solution:

arctan(.5)=angle of incline=26.6degrees
a=2x/t^2 (rearranged kinematic equation)
a=gsin(26.6)
a=4.39 m/s^2
4.39=2x/t^2
x=.47m
.94/4.39=t^2
t=.46 s

(This solution was marked incorrect) Help would be greatly appreciated.
 
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It seems to me that you have calculated the time it would take if the coefficient of kinetic friction were zero.
 
Vic is correct. Letting the acceleration = gsin(theta) gives the acceleration in the absence of friction. If you look at the force balance in the down incline direction it should read:

Ffriction + Fgravity = ma (1)

<< some extra work deleted by Mentor >>

Solve that to find the acceleration and the re-evaluate your kinematics equation.

Chris.
 
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Alexander83 said:
Vic is correct. Letting the acceleration = gsin(theta) gives the acceleration in the absence of friction. If you look at the force balance in the down incline direction it should read:

Ffriction + Fgravity = ma (1)

<< some extra work deleted by Mentor >>

Solve that to find the acceleration and the re-evaluate your kinematics equation.

Chris.

Thanks for being willing and able to help with this question, Alexander. Just please remember that the OP student must do the bulk of the work. I think with the hints that he's been given now, he should be able to show us his work toward the correct solution.
 
Thanks for the help! I genuinely appreciate it :)
I used
Fg-Ff=ma
mgsin(26.6)-umgcos26.6)=ma
9.8(sin26.6)-.32cos(26.6)=a
a=1.41
t=.82s
 

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