Physics homework help regarding energy and friction

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The discussion revolves around calculating energy dissipated by friction and the corresponding frictional force for a car with a mass of 500kg and a maximum power output of 75kW, traveling up a hill at a constant speed of 30m/s. The vertical velocity is determined to be approximately 6m/s, leading to a gravitational potential energy (GPE) gain of 30,000J per second. The calculations suggest that GPE minus the sum of kinetic energy (KE) and frictional forces should equal zero, but results indicate a negative frictional force, raising questions about the assumptions made. Participants emphasize the importance of recognizing that the speed is constant, which implies no change in kinetic energy. The discussion highlights the need to clarify definitions and calculations in the context of constant speed and energy balance.
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Homework Statement


The maximum power output of a car of mass 500kg is 75kW. Up a hill of angle 11.534, its maximum (constant) speed achievable with this power is 30m/s.

What is the energy dissipated by frictional forces every second, and what must the frictional force be?

Homework Equations


mgh=loss/gain of GPE, KE=(mv^2)/2=Kinetic energy gained/lost

The Attempt at a Solution


As this is a right angle triangle, we know that 30sin(11.534) will equal the vertical velocity going up (approx 6m/s). From there we know what mgh is: 6m/s*10*500=30000J gained per second. Since GPE-(KE+Frictional forces) must equal 0, 30000-((500*30^2)/2+F) should give F, but it turns out to be negative. How does this work?
 
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Dan_321 said:
its maximum (constant) speed

The assumption is that the speed is constant. Review the terms in your calculation given that information.
 
RPinPA said:
The assumption is that the speed is constant. Review the terms in your calculation given that information.
Yes, but surely the vertical velocity is going to be different from the diagonal velocity?
 
Yes. I agree with your calculation that the vertical velocity is a constant 6 m/s. Now look at your definitions in "relevant equations".
 
Dan_321 said:
GPE-(KE+Frictional forces)
Why, in this context? As @RPinPA notes, there is no change in KE.
 
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