Physics problem Fairly simple but I keep getting wrong? Help please?

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem related to form drag experienced by vehicles at constant velocity. The original poster seeks to find the power dissipated by form drag, referencing the drag equation and its relationship to velocity.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mixed

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  • The original poster attempts to apply the drag equation but questions their interpretation of the problem after receiving feedback on their initial formulation. Participants discuss the correct form of the drag equation and its implications for calculating power.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different interpretations of the drag equation and its components. Some guidance has been offered regarding the correct formulation of the drag force and power, but there is no explicit consensus on the resolution of the original poster's confusion.

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There is mention of an online problem providing a specific equation for power dissipation, which has led to confusion regarding the inclusion of certain factors like mass density and the coefficient of drag. The original poster is also grappling with the implications of these factors on their solution.

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1. Homework Statement

The dominant form of drag experienced by vehicles (bikes, cars, planes, etc.) at operating speeds is called form drag. It increases quadratically with velocity (essentially because the amount of air you run into increases with and so does the amount of force you must exert on each small volume of air). Thus
Fdrag=C_dA_*v^2....where A is the cross-sectional area of the vehicle and C_d is called the coefficient of drag.


Consider a vehicle moving with constant velocity . Find the power dissipated by form drag?

P=?


Homework Equations



P=(delta Work)/ (delta time)

or P= F*v




The Attempt at a Solution



Fdrag=C_dA_*v^3 <----- how is this wrong? Maybe I am misinterpreting the problem?
 
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You have the wrong drag equation, the power dissipated is Pdrag = CdA*p*v3, where p is the mass density of air . As long as you are ignoring other dissipative forces, at constant velocity the power dissipated by the drag is equal to the power delivered by the car or bike or aeroplane. (The drag factor for a car is a bit more complex than just Cd; an equivalent 'CdA' factor is often used).
 
PhanthomJay said:
You have the wrong drag equation, the power dissipated is Pdrag = CdA*p*v3, where p is the mass density of air . As long as you are ignoring other dissipative forces, at constant velocity the power dissipated by the drag is equal to the power delivered by the car or bike or aeroplane. (The drag factor for a car is a bit more complex than just Cd; an equivalent 'CdA' factor is often used).


The online problem told me that P=C_d*A*v^2 and to only express my answer using the terms C_d, A, and v. So then how would I express this? I thought I was correct the first time but this seemingly simple problem is causing me trouble now.
 
Well, actually both me and your online problem had it wrong, the drag force is
F_ drag = 1/2(C_d)A(p)v^2 (I forgot the 1/2) , and and P_drag = 1/2(C_d)A(p)v^3, so I don't know what to tell you. Perhaps they lumped the 1/2 and p terms together as an equivalent C_d factor, but I don't know. In which case, I don't know why your answer is wrong if that's the equation they told you to use.
 

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