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The discussion revolves around a problem related to gravitational physics, specifically focusing on the effects of air drag on a satellite in low orbit. The original poster explores the relationship between mechanical energy, orbital speed, and changes in radius due to air drag.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to reconcile the decrease in mechanical energy with the increase in orbital speed as the radius decreases. They express uncertainty about the derivation of a specific velocity change equation and seek clarification on the role of the term △r/2.
  • Some participants question the derivative of velocity with respect to radius and discuss the implications of a negative derivative on the relationship between radius and speed.
  • Others suggest using the derived formula for the derivative to approximate the increase in orbital speed when the radius decreases.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing guidance on the mathematical derivation and clarifying concepts related to the problem. There is a recognition of the need to compute the increase in speed based on the changes in radius, and some participants express understanding as the discussion progresses.

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The original poster notes that this problem is for exam preparation rather than a homework assignment, which may influence the nature of the discussion and the level of detail sought.

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Homework Statement


If a satellite is in a sufficiently low orbit, it will encounter air drag from the Earth's atmosphere. Since air drag does negative work (the force of air drag is directed opposite the motion), the mechanical energy will decrease. If E decreases (becomes more negative), the radius of the orbit will decrease. If air drag is relatively small, the satellite can be considered to be in a circular orbit of continually decreasing radius.
a) According to v = (GM/r)^1/2,if the radius of a satellite’s circular orbit decreases, the satellite’s orbital speed increases. How can you reconcile this with the statement that the mechanical energy decreases?
b) Due to air drag, the radius of a satellite’s circular orbit decreases from r to r - △r, where the positive quantity △r is much less than r. The mass of the satellite is m. Show that the increase in orbital speed is △v = +(△r/2)[(GM/r^3)^1/2]; that the change in kinetic energy is △K = + (GMm/2r^2); that the change in gravitational potential energy is △U = -2△K= - (GMm/r^2)△r; and that the amount of work done by the force of air drag is W = - (GMm/2r^2)△r.

Homework Equations



U = -GMm/r

K = 1/2mv^2

E = K+U

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The Attempt at a Solution


I think (a) can be solved saying that the mechanic energy will decrease due to the negative work done by the air drag, because doing E = K+U the final mechanic energy is negative. (I'm not sure anyway)
But I'm stuck doing (b) , I don't understand where does △r/2 in the velocity equation come from...I don't know how to solve it...any help would be helpful, thanks to all of you who could help me.PS: this isn't homework, it's just a problem I found to prepare final exams
(Sorry if there are any grammar mistakes, I'm not a native English speaker)
 
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Have you had calculus? If so, what is the derivative of v with respect to r?

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Yes, I've made the derivative of v respect r, but what I get it's:
v'= - (1/2)•[(GM/sqrt(GM/r^3)]
I'm pretty sure I've done something wrong because that isn't the solution given in the problem statement
 
lucphysics said:
v'= - (1/2)•[(GM/sqrt(GM/r^3)]
Rewrite this as v' = -(1/2)[(GM/r^3)^1/2], or dv/dr=-(1/2)[(GM/r^3)^1/2].
This derivative is negative, so that if r increases, v decreases. And if r decreases, v increases.

What then is the increase in orbital speed if the radius decreases from r to r - △r, where the positive quantity △r is much less than r?
 
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So, that means that when r decreases the derivative is positive due to the velocity increasement?
 
lucphysics said:
So, that means that when r decreases the derivative is positive due to the velocity increasement?
I wouldn't formulate it this way.

When r decreases, v increases. That we can deduce from the fact that dv/dr is negative.
Now, you are asked to compute by how much v increases, when r decreases by a (relatively) small positive quantity △r.

You can use the formula that you have derived for dv/dr to give a very good approximation for that increase in orbital speed. That is what you have to do in the first part of b), and it shouldn't be too difficult.
 
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Ok, thank you. I think I understand it now.
 
lucphysics said:
Yes, I've made the derivative of v respect r, but what I get it's:
v'= - (1/2)•[(GM/sqrt(GM/r^3)]
I'm pretty sure I've done something wrong because that isn't the solution given in the problem statement
That's because you did the derivative incorrectly. The correct derivative is given in Samy_A's post #4.

Chet
 
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