Physics Question involving a skier and a snowdrift....

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a skier who penetrates a snowdrift after crossing a patch of soft snow. The goal is to determine the average force exerted on the skier by the snowdrift as she comes to a stop. The problem involves concepts from energy conservation and the Work Energy Theorem.

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  • Participants explore energy conservation principles, specifically the relationship between kinetic energy and potential energy in the context of the skier's motion. Some participants question the assumptions made about the snowdrift's behavior, suggesting it does not act like a spring. Others raise concerns about the lack of information regarding the time taken for the skier to stop.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing additional context about the skier's initial conditions and velocities. Some guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of average force and the need for complete information to resolve the problem effectively.

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Participants note that the problem may be flawed due to the ambiguity in defining "average force" without knowing the stopping time. There are also references to specific values and conditions provided in the problem statement that may influence the analysis.

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Homework Statement

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After crossing the patch of soft snow, the skier hits a snowdrift and penetrates a distance 2.1 m into it before coming to a stop. What is the average force exerted on her by the snowdrift as it stops her?

Homework Equations


TE(initial) = TE(final)

The Attempt at a Solution



TEi = TEf
Kei + Pei = Elastic Energy + Kef (Pei = zero)
1/2mv^2 =1/2kx^2
k = mv^2/x^2
k = 14583.3

F=-kx^2
F=64312.353N

This is not correct; the correct answer is 4210N. Apparently you can use the Work Energy Theorem in order to determine this value. I am not sure how though. Please assist in helping me understand. [/B]
 
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Serella_Madole said:

Homework Statement

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After crossing the patch of soft snow, the skier hits a snowdrift and penetrates a distance 2.1 m into it before coming to a stop. What is the average force exerted on her by the snowdrift as it stops her?

Homework Equations


TE(initial) = TE(final)

The Attempt at a Solution



TEi = TEf
Kei + Pei = Elastic Energy + Kef (Pei = zero)
1/2mv^2 =1/2kx^2
k = mv^2/x^2
k = 14583.3

F=-kx^2
F=64312.353N

This is not correct; the correct answer is 4210N. Apparently you can use the Work Energy Theorem in order to determine this value. I am not sure how though. Please assist in helping me understand. [/B]
Is there more information given with this problem? Like the velocity of the skier before she hits the snowdrift?
 
SteamKing said:
Is there more information given with this problem? Like the velocity of the skier before she hits the snowdrift?

I had to determine the final velocity on my own which is 17.8 m/s. The initial velocity is zero based on the first part of the question. "A 61.0-kg skier starts from rest at the top of a ski slope of height 70.0 m."
 
We can't help you if you don't give us all the information at your disposal. :wink:
 
SteamKing said:
We can't help you if you don't give us all the information at your disposal. :wink:
Sorry for the late response!

Here is all the information accompanying the question!

Part A
If frictional forces do −1.05×104 J of work on her as she descends, how fast is she going at the bottom of the slope?
Take free fall acceleration to be g = 9.80 m/s2.

v = 32.1 m/s

Part B
Now moving horizontally, the skier crosses a patch of soft snow, where the coefficient of friction is 0.25. If the patch is of width 70.0 m and the average force of air resistance on the skier is 160 N , how fast is she going after crossing the patch?

v = 17.8 m/s

I hope this helps!
 
Serella_Madole said:
1/2mv^2 =1/2kx^2
A snowdrift does not behave like a spring.
Serella_Madole said:
F=-kx^2
Even if it did behave like a spring, that is not the right equation for the force exerted by a spring.

Unfortunately, the question itself is flawed. "Average force" means the average over time. Since you do not know how long the skier took to stop, there is no way to work out the average force. In order to get the book answer, you will have treat the force as constant.
See "3. Average force" at https://www.physicsforums.com/insights/frequently-made-errors-mechanics-forces/
 

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