Piecewise function - Find derivative at 3

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The discussion revolves around a piecewise function defined for different intervals and the requirement for it to be differentiable at a specific point, x = 3. Participants are tasked with finding the constants a and b that ensure differentiability, exploring continuity and derivatives of the function.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between continuity and differentiability at x = 3, attempting to derive expressions for a and b based on the conditions provided. There are attempts to simplify expressions and clarify the significance of certain calculations.

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Some participants have provided calculations and expressed confusion regarding specific steps, particularly in part (a) and the implications of their results. There is an ongoing exploration of where errors may have occurred, with multiple interpretations of the problem being examined.

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Participants are working under the constraints of ensuring the function is both continuous and differentiable at x = 3, with specific relationships between a and b needing to be established. There is also an emphasis on showing work to identify mistakes in reasoning.

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In this question, we shall take steps to find the values of a and b , given that the function

f(x)={

x^2−4x+1 if x<=3
ax+b if x>3

is differentiable at 3.

a) It is known that if a function is differentiable at a point c, then it is continuous at c. Using now the continuity of f at 3, we can establish a relationship between a and b. Find this relationship and express it in the form b=Aa+B, where A and B are constants.


b) Assuming that x>3, one can simplify the quotient

f(x) -f(3)
x-(3)

into the form Ca+D, where C and D are constants. Find these constants.

Hint. Don't forget that you can use the result from part (a) to eliminate b from your expression.


(c) Assuming that x<3, one can simplify the quotient

f(x) -f(3)
x-(3)

into the form Ex+F, where E and F are constants. Find these constants.


(d) Using the results of parts (a), (b) and (c), find the values of a and b.


Answers:
I got part:

a)
A=0
B=-2

b)
C=1
D=1

c)
E=1
F=-1

d)
a=-2/3
b=0


However, I couldn't get correct answers on "A" from part a) and "a" and "b" from part d). Can anybody tell me what I did wrong?
 
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showing your working will help find where you went wrong
 


lanedance said:
showing your working will help find where you went wrong

Part A is something like this:

ax+b
a(3)+b = 0

==>b = -3a - 2

f(x) = x^2-4x+1
f(3) = (3)^2-4(3)+1 = -2*

f'(x) = 2x-4
f'(3) = 2(3)-4-2* = 0

if x=3, then
f’(x) = a, which must be also = 0
thus a=0, hence b=-3a-2 = 3(0)-2 = -2

So, what did I do wrong here?
 


shiri said:
Part A is something like this:

ax+b
a(3)+b = 0

==>b = -3a - 2

f(x) = x^2-4x+1
f(3) = (3)^2-4(3)+1 = -2*

f'(x) = 2x-4
The next line is wrong. Why are you subtracting 2? What is the significance of the asterisk?
shiri said:
f'(3) = 2(3)-4-2* = 0

if x=3, then
f’(x) = a, which must be also = 0
thus a=0, hence b=-3a-2 = 3(0)-2 = -2

So, what did I do wrong here?
 

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