Piezoelectric ceramics in a robotic limb

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the potential use of piezoelectric ceramics as a substitute for muscles in robotic limbs, exploring whether these materials can replicate the movement and functionality of real muscles.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the feasibility of using piezoelectric ceramics to replicate muscle function in robotic limbs, noting the vagueness of the initial question.
  • One participant highlights that piezoelectric materials expand when subjected to an electric current, drawing a parallel to muscle contraction and expansion.
  • Another participant clarifies that mechanical deformation in piezoelectric materials is due to an external electric field, not an electric current, and notes the limited displacement achievable with these materials.
  • Concerns are raised about the low work density of piezoelectric devices, suggesting they may not provide sufficient displacement and force for practical applications in robotics.
  • References to current robotic technologies indicate that existing solutions often rely on hydraulic systems for adequate power and movement.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the practicality of using piezoelectric ceramics in robotic limbs, with no consensus reached on their viability as muscle substitutes.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reveals limitations in understanding the specific mechanisms of piezoelectric materials and their potential applications, as well as the challenges in achieving sufficient force and displacement for robotic movement.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in robotics, materials science, and the development of artificial limbs may find this discussion relevant.

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piezoelectric ceramics, are they a good substitute for muscles in a robotic limb, and would they make it move in a similar manner to a real limb
 
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That is such a vague question. You're asking if some type of material that gains charge due to deformation can replicate muscles for a robotic arm. There is no answer to that unless there's some kind of setup that you're just replacing the material with a ceramic. Or am I missing something?
 
The reason I asked this is because they expand upon being subject to an electric current. This is like a muscle that can expand and contract to move our limbs.
 
Though I may be missing some information too.
 
Notice, please, that mechanical deformation of a piezoelectric crystal is not caused by “an electric current”. It is caused by the application of an external electric field.

“Lead zirconate titanate crystals will change about 0.1% of their static dimension when an external electric field is applied to the material.”

See section on “Actuators” especially:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piezoelectricity#Actuators

Since the amount of motion is Very Small, we could not just substitute a p. crystal for a bicep, for example.
 
I don't think piezoelectric devices would provide sufficient displacement+force to be of any practical use in robotic devices. The work density is too low. Look at all of the various devices being developed by DARPA...they are still constructed with umbilicals pumping hydraulic fluids to provide sufficient power to move links fast enough, and with enough force.
 
Thanks that's all I needs to know.
 

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