Pig on a slide Friction Problem

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The problem involves a pig sliding down a 35-degree incline with friction, taking twice the time compared to a frictionless slide. The goal is to find the coefficient of kinetic friction between the pig and the slide.

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  • The original poster attempts to set up equations for forces and accelerations but struggles to connect them coherently. Some participants question the mixing of forces and accelerations in the original poster's equations. Others suggest clarifying the definitions of variables and the relationships between distance, time, and acceleration.

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A slide loving pig slides down a certin 35 degree slide in twice the time it would take to slide down a frictionless 35 degree slide. What is the coefficient of kinetic friction between the pig and the slide? Here is what I have so far...
[sum]Fx=ma=mgsin [the] -[mu]mgcos[the] I canceled out the mass on both sides and get
[sum]Fx=a=gsin [the] -[mu]gcos[the]

For the y forces I have
[sum]y=N=mgcos[the]

As far as the difference in the time with or without friction I have x=mgsin[the]=(1/2)at^2 for the slide with no friction and I have x=mgsin[the]=2at^2for the slide with friction
This is all the info I have been able to come up with...I can't figure out how to put it all together. Thanks for helping. I've been working on this one for awhile.
 
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Be careful about mixing up forces, accelerations and positions. For example, your second equation has forces equalling accelerations (not good). I'm assuming the 'x' direction is along the ramp and that the pig starts at the top of the ramp from rest (I'm told pigs like to rest). So let's call the distance down the ramp (same for friction/no friction) Δx. In either case,

\Delta x = \frac{at^2}{2}

which is where (it seemed like) you were heading.

The acceleration is different in each case and the time is different in each case. Let's call the time down the frictionless slide T, and the time down the slide with friction 2T. From your force balance, you found the acceleration with friction already, let's call it af:

a_f = g\sin \theta - \mu g\cos \theta

without friction (anf) is simply:

a_{nf} = g\sin\theta

To put it all together, equate Δxf with Δxnf:

\frac{a_f(2T)^2}{2} = \frac{a_{nf}T^2}{2}

substitute in your expressions for af and anf and solve for μ

4\left(g\sin \theta - \mu g\cos \theta\right) = g\sin\theta

\vdots

\mu = 3\tan\theta

(I suggest you verify my algebra for yourself in case I made a careless error or two.)


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(Last line corrected for algebra)

\mu = \frac{3\tan\theta}{4}
 
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Thanks

Funny how it seems so obvious when someone explains it. Thanks for your help.
 
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It turns out to be (3/4)Tan[the] I got the final answer to be [mu]=.53 Ahhhh, now I can sleep at night[zz)]
 
Good job. Glad I put in that disclaimor; maybe I should just add it to my signature. I guess I was so wrapped up in using the new \LaTeX functionality that I forgot to distribute the 4.
 

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