Planck's Law Problem: Solve for Vmax 3 Sig Digits

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The discussion revolves around finding the frequency (Vmax) at which energy density is maximized according to Planck's Radiation Formula. Participants are engaging with calculus and numerical methods to solve a transcendental equation related to this problem.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss deriving an equation and setting it to zero, with one individual noting the challenge of handling the variable V within an exponential function. Others suggest numerical methods and the use of a specific substitution (X = hv/kT) to simplify the problem. Questions arise regarding the formulation of the equation and the significance of the factor of 3 in the context of the variables involved.

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The discussion is active, with participants exploring different interpretations of the equations and the relationships between the variables. Some guidance has been offered regarding numerical solutions and plotting functions, but there is still uncertainty about the derivation and specific terms used in the equations.

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Participants are working under the constraints of needing to find a solution to three significant digits and are grappling with the implications of the variables in the context of Planck's Law.

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Homework Statement



Given Planck's Radiation Formula

Find the frequency (Vmax) at which energy density is at a maximum. This requires simple calculus and numerical solution of a simple transcendental equation.
You only need to find the answer to 3 significant digits.

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The Attempt at a Solution




So i derived the equation and set it equal to 0 and i got

V = [3kT / h][1 - 1/ (e^(hv/kT))]

But i can't seem to finish it because of the V in the exp...
also we know that
e^x = 1 + x + x^2/2! + x^3/3!+ ... and that somehow has to play a role in solving this...I think...
 
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You have to do this numerically. Call hv/kT=X. Then your last equation is X/3=1-e^(-X). Write this as f(X)=1-X/3-e^(-X). You want to solve f(X)=0. Plot it. For values of X around 1 f(X) is positive, for values around 4 it's negative. So there must be a root in between. You could just solve it by bisection.
 
x/3 = 1 - e^(-x)

why is it 'x/3' ?, and not just x
 
nadeemo said:
x/3 = 1 - e^(-x)

why is it 'x/3' ?, and not just x

Because you have 3kT/h. Note the '3'.
 
wont it be 3x/v ??
since we have

hv / kt = x

andd in this part we have

3h/kt...wont that equal 3x / v
 
nadeemo said:
wont it be 3x/v ??
since we have

hv / kt = x

andd in this part we have

3h/kt...wont that equal 3x / v

Yes. And 3kt/h=3v/x. ?
 
hv / Kt = x
kt/hv = 1/x
3kt/hv = 3/x
3kt/h = 3v/ x

...i still don't understand where you get "x/3" from, please clarify
 
You had:

V = [3kT / h][1 - 1/ (e^(hv/kT))]

this is the same as:

Vh/(3kT)=[1 - 1/ (e^(hv/kT))]

Vh/(3kT)=x/3.
 

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