Plane to Ship Displacement (using component method)

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The problem involves calculating the vector displacement from a plane to a ship, given their respective positions in a three-dimensional coordinate system. The context includes trigonometric calculations based on bearings and distances from a coastguard station.

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  • Participants discuss the use of trigonometric functions to resolve the positions of the ship and plane into their respective components. There is confusion regarding the application of sine and cosine for angles greater than 90 degrees, with some participants questioning the correctness of their calculations and the definitions used.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the correct application of trigonometric functions to determine the components of the vectors. Some participants have provided alternative interpretations and calculations, while others have expressed uncertainty about the established conventions in their textbooks.

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Participants note the challenge of visualizing the problem, with references to drawing diagrams to aid understanding. There is mention of a lack of resources, such as a scanner, to share visual aids, which may impact the clarity of the discussion.

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Homework Statement


A coastguard station locates a ship at range 15.4 km and bearing 123° clockwise from north.

From the same station a plane is at horizontal range 19.4 km, 150° clockwise from north, with elevation 2.06 km.

What is the vector displacement from plane to ship, let i represent east, j north, and k up.

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The Attempt at a Solution


Shipx=15.4cos123 = -8.39i km
Shipy=15.4sin123 = 12.92j kmPlanex=19.4cos150 = -16.8i km
Planey=19.4sin150 = 9.7j km
Planez=2.06 k km

Therefore Displacement PtoS = (P-S)
=(-8.41i , -3.22j , 2.06k) km

Any help you could give me would be greatly appreciated!
 
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Shipx=15.4cos123 = -8.39i km
Shipy=15.4sin123 = 12.92j km
You seem to have these reversed; the sine gives the i (east) value.
 
Delphi51 said:
You seem to have these reversed; the sine gives the i (east) value.

Really? So Sin is for the X direction, and cos is for the Y? That's not what my textbook says?
 
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I hate to make a general statement about this with angles greater than 90 degrees.
But if you draw the diagram and note that the ship is 57 degrees away from the south line, then you would naturally say that sin(57) = x/15.4 so x = 15.4*sin(57) = 12.9 to the east.
 
Delphi51 said:
I hate to make a general statement about this with angles greater than 90 degrees.
But if you draw the diagram and note that the ship is 57 degrees away from the south line, then you would naturally say that sin(57) = x/15.4 so x = 15.4*sin(57) = 12.9 to the east.
Yeah I did draw a diagram, I just don't have a scanner to upload it.
I never thought to look at it as two triangles though.

So what I actually should have is:

Shipx=15.4sin57 = 12.9i
Shipy=15.4cos57 = -8.39j

Planex=19.4sin30 = 9.7i km
Planey=19.4cos30 = -16.8j km
Planez=2.06k km

Therefore Displacement PtoS = (P-S)
=(-3.20i , -8.41j , 2.06k) km
Right??
 
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Therefore Displacement PtoS = (P-S)
=(-3.20i , -8.41j , 2.06k) km
Hmm, from the plane you would have to go east, north and down to get to the ship.
Therefore I think it should be (3.2i, 8.41j, -2.06k).
 
Delphi51 said:
Hmm, from the plane you would have to go east, north and down to get to the ship.
Therefore I think it should be (3.2i, 8.41j, -2.06k).

Makes sense. Thanks again for the help! :)
 
Most welcome.
 

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