Vector displacement between ship and plane

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The problem involves determining the vector displacement between a ship and a rescue plane, both located at specific distances and bearings from a radar station. The context includes vector components in three-dimensional space, where the displacement is expressed in the form a1i + a2j + a3k, with i representing east, j representing north, and k representing elevation.

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  • Participants discuss calculating the x, y, and z components of the vectors for both the ship and the plane based on their respective distances and bearings. There are questions about how to incorporate the elevation into the vector components and whether the angle for the elevation should be considered as 90 degrees. Some participants suggest using trigonometric functions to resolve the components, while others express confusion about the correct approach to find the displacement vector and its magnitude.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various participants attempting to clarify their understanding of the vector components and the calculations needed to find the displacement. Some have provided specific calculations for the components, while others are questioning the accuracy of their results and seeking confirmation on their methods. There is a mix of interpretations regarding the setup and calculations, indicating a productive exploration of the problem.

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1. A radar station locates a ship at range 17.3km and bearing 136 degrees clockwise from north. From the same station a rescue plane is at horizontal range 21.5km, 153 degrees clockwise from north, with elevation 2.20km. The vector displacement from plane to ship can be written in the form, a1i+a2j+a3k, where i is east, j is north, k is up. Find the values of a1, a2 a3 and the distance between the plane and ship.
2.Ax=Acos(-136)=-12
Ay=Asin(-136)=-12
Bx=Bcos(-153)=-19
By=Bsin(-153)=-9
Cx= Do I find the "up" components the same way? I know the elevation is 2.20km, is the angle 90 degrees?

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waldvocm said:
1. A radar station locates a ship at range 17.3km and bearing 136 degrees clockwise from north. From the same station a rescue plane is at horizontal range 21.5km, 153 degrees clockwise from north, with elevation 2.20km. The vector displacement from plane to ship can be written in the form, a1i+a2j+a3k, where i is east, j is north, k is up. Find the values of a1, a2 a3 and the distance between the plane and ship.



2.Ax=Acos(-136)=-12
Ay=Asin(-136)=-12
Bx=Bcos(-153)=-19
By=Bsin(-153)=-9
Cx= Do I find the "up" components the same way? I know the elevation is 2.20km, is the angle 90 degrees?

Write the co-ordinates for each displacement vector. For the ship it is (x1, y1, 0) and for the plane it is (x2, y2, 2.2) where x1 = 17.3cos(-46) and y1 = 17.3 sin(-46). x2 =? and y2 =?

Then it is just a matter of subtracting the two vectors to find the difference. Use pythagoras to calculate the length of the resulting difference vector.

AM
 
A radar station locates a ship at range 17.3km and bearing 136 degrees clockwise from north. From the same station a plane is at horizontal range 21.5km, 153 degrees clockwise from north, with elevation 2.20km. The vector displacement from plane to ship can be written in the form, a1i+a2j+a3k, where i is east, j is north, k is up. Find the values of a1, a2, a3 and the distance between the plane and the ship.

Ax=Acos(-135)=-12
Ay=Asin(-135)=-12
Bx=Bcos(-153)=-19
By=Bsin(-153)=-9

How so I find the components of the third vector? I know the magnitude is 2.20km up. Is the angle 90 degrees? Cx=Ccos(90)=0 Cy=Csin(90)=2.2

What is my next step? Do is add all of the x components for the a1i value, the y for a2j and what for k?

a1i=-12+-19+0=-31
a2j=-12+-9+2.2=-19
a3k=?OPPPS! I thought my original question didn't show up
 
ship=(12,-12,0)
plane=(9,-19,2.2)

a1i=12-9=3
a2j=-12--19=7
a3k=0-2.2=-2.2

The distance would be....a^2+b^2=c^2 17.3^2+23.7^2=c^2 = The distance between the plane and ship = 29.34km

Is this correct?
 
ok, I am rethinking my distance.

I know that one side must be 2.20 since that is the side that is creating the right triangle. I am confused as far as the other sides to use in a^2+b^2=c^2.
 
ok to find the magnitude of the displacement do I take

R=3i+7j-2.2k

R=sqrt3^2+7^2+-2.2^2=

Magnitude of displacement is 2.79

2.20^2+2.79^2=c^2 The distance =3.55km

Is this correct?
 
waldvocm said:
ok to find the magnitude of the displacement do I take

R=3i+7j-2.2k

R=sqrt3^2+7^2+-2.2^2=

Magnitude of displacement is 2.79

2.20^2+2.79^2=c^2 The distance =3.55km

Is this correct?
First you have to determine the correct (x,y,z) co-ordinates of the ship and the plane.

136 deg clockwise from north is an angle of -46 degrees using the direction of the x-axis as 0 degrees. So the x co-ordinate is 17.3 cos(-46) = +12 km. The y co-ordinate is 17.3 sin(-46) = -12.4 km. The z co-ordinate is 0. So the ship vector is (12, -12.4, 0)

For the plane it is a little trickier. The z component is easy: 2.2 km. To resolve the x and y components you use the horizontal range (ie. this is the projection of the vector from the origin to the plane onto the x,y plane). So the x co-ordinate is 21.5 cos(-63) = +9.8 km. The y co-ordinate is 21.5 sin(-63) = -19.2 km. The z co-ordinate is 2.2. So the plane's vector is (9.8, -19.2, 2.2)

To determine displacement of the ship vector from the plane vector just subtract the plane's co-ordinates from the ships (ie. this difference vector when added to the plane's vector results in the ship's vector):

Ship vector - plane vector = plane-to-ship vector

(12, -12.4, 0) - (9.8, -19.2, 2.2) = (?, ?, ?)

The length of that vector is now very easy to calculate. I get 7.48 km.

AM
 

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