Please explain the short lifespan of LIPUS devices....

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The discussion revolves around the short lifespan of LIPUS (Low Intensity Pulsed Ultrasound) devices, specifically focusing on the Exogen model by Bioventus Global. Participants explore the reasons behind the limited usage capacity, which is stated to be about 300 uses at 20 minutes per day, and the implications of device functionality and reliability.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the battery and transducer are likely components contributing to the short lifespan of LIPUS devices.
  • One participant questions whether it is normal for ultrasound transducers to wear out after approximately 6000 minutes of usage.
  • Concerns are raised about the inability to detect if the device stops producing the correct ultrasound waves, leading to potential misuse.
  • A suggestion is made to test the functionality of the device using graphite powder to observe resonance patterns.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about the transparency of customer support regarding the device's lifespan and potential reasons for its limited usage.
  • One participant speculates that the device may be designed to fail after a certain period, possibly due to the use of lower quality electronic components.
  • A later reply mentions that the device is a prescription medical device tested for its indicated lifespan, suggesting that it may still have useful life beyond the stated limit.
  • There is a mention of the possibility of calibration after the initial 300 uses, which could extend its usability.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views regarding the causes of the short lifespan of LIPUS devices, with no consensus reached on the specific components responsible or the implications of the device's design. Some participants are skeptical of the manufacturer's claims, while others acknowledge the clinical testing of the device.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the lack of clear information from the manufacturer regarding the reasons for the device's limited lifespan, and there are unresolved questions about the reliability of customer support responses.

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So far, I have only seen about 3 LIPUS (Low Intensity Pulsed Ultrasound) devices that are commercially available. The one that I am looking at right now is made by Bioventus Global and it is called Exogen.The " http://www.exogen.com/us/patient-resources ", on Bioventus Global website, states that their LIPUS device only has a lifespan of about 300 uses at 20 minutes per day.

The only components that I can think of that would cause such a short lifespan are the batteries and transducer.Which components would likely be causing such a short lifespan ?

If it is the transducer that is wearing out, is it normal for ultrasound transducers to wear out with only about 6000 minutes of usages ?

If it is the transducer that is wearing out, which part of the transducer ?


Thanks.

 
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John Bartle said:
Which components would likely be causing such a short lifespan ?

the battery
 
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@davennThe reason for original post was that this is kind of important.

I need a LIPUS device, and if it should stop producing the ultrasound waves or the wrong waves I don't suppose that I would ever even realize it... I would happily just go about changing the battery and using the LIPUS device, for years on end, believing that it is working when in reality it is not.

So, given your post, I will assume that the transducer does not wear out, and that I only need to worry about the battery.Thanks.
 
John Bartle said:
I need a LIPUS device, and if it should stop producing the ultrasound waves or the wrong waves I don't suppose that I would ever even realize it... I would happily just go about changing the battery and using the LIPUS device, for years on end, believing that it is working when in reality it is not.
Perhaps you could test functionality by using graphite powder on a sheet of paper. I suppose it should generate resonance patterns.
 
fresh_42 said:
Perhaps you could test functionality by using graphite powder on a sheet of paper. I suppose it should generate resonance patterns.

Yes, I suppose I could do that.

In my original post, one of a number of reasons why I posted was that I was hoping to get a concrete idea of why a LIPUS device would wear out so quickly - before purchasing it.

But, of course, yours is an excellent idea. Thanks.
 
John Bartle said:
Which components would likely be causing such a short lifespan ?

If it is the transducer that is wearing out, is it normal for ultrasound transducers to wear out with only about 6000 minutes of usages ?

If it is the transducer that is wearing out, which part of the transducer ?
When you called their Customer Support folks, what did they have fo say?
 
berkeman said:
When you called their Customer Support folks, what did they have fo say?

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berkeman said:
When you called their Customer Support folks, what did they have fo say?
I admit that I have not spoken with them yet. I called today and they will not be available until Monday.
On Monday I intend to call them again.

In this case, I don't entirely trust what the customer support might say. It - may - be in their interest to not fully divulge why their product only last for about 6000 minutes. One reason that I slightly suspect this is because their reasons were not clearly divulged in their online reading material. So, I simply wanted both their explanations and this forum's. Also, I assume that electrical engineers could possible give more involved and technical explanations. See, I was hoping to purchase an Exogen device and have it fixed if it breaks, but I need to know a little bit about what is likely to break.
 
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It cannot be ruled out, that they intentionally break after a certain lifetime. They could e.g. use electronic components of minor quality. A broken resistor or capacitor would probably do. Battery replacement seems to me a too obvious and easy to repair reason to publicly admit a 100 h lifespan.
 
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This is a prescription medical device. It was tested clinically to the indicated lifespan. Use beyond that is not medically guaranteed.

That said, it is likely only at a small percentage of its useful life. They say to call customer support after 300 uses. They may just have you do some sort of calibration and you get 300 more uses if everything checks out.

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