Please explain velocity vectors

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around understanding velocity vectors, their components, and how to interpret them in the context of mechanics. Participants explore the relationship between velocity, direction, and speed, as well as the concept of unit vectors.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about visualizing velocity vectors and seeks clarification on interpreting the vector (2i + 5j) m/s as movement along the x and y axes.
  • Another participant confirms that if the positive y-axis is identified as "north," the interpretation is correct, but suggests using x, y, and z axes for clarity.
  • A participant explains the process of finding the velocity vector in the direction of 3i - 4j with a speed of 10 m/s, noting the importance of the unit vector derived from the direction vector.
  • There is a discussion about the definition of unit vectors, with one participant clarifying that multiplying a unit vector by a speed yields a velocity vector, as it incorporates both magnitude and direction.
  • Another participant discusses the complexity of velocity compared to displacement, emphasizing that velocity's direction corresponds to motion while its magnitude represents speed.
  • Some participants express confusion about the implications of a direction vector on the object's position, questioning whether it indicates movement or distance to be covered.
  • A later reply clarifies that velocity alone does not provide information about the object's position, which must be specified separately.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the definitions and relationships between velocity, direction, and unit vectors, but there remains some uncertainty regarding the implications of direction vectors on an object's position and movement.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express confusion about the relationship between velocity vectors and displacement, indicating a need for further clarification on how these concepts interrelate.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students learning about vectors in mechanics, particularly those grappling with the concepts of velocity, direction, and unit vectors.

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I understand how to work with vectors but I am not yet very confident on how they work or think about them. I am working with mechanics A level.

For example how would you imagine the velocity vector (2i +5j) m/s. So I am assuming that the object is moving at 2m/s east or along the x-axis and 5m/s along the y-axis or north. Am I right?

So suppose an object is moving in a direction 3i-4j and has speed 10m/s. Could you explain how finding the velocity in that direction works.

I know how to work it out but not exactly how to think about it.

I know I would find the magnitude of 3i-4j which is; √(3^2+4^2) then;

Velocity is equal to: 10χ1/5(3i-4j) = (6i-8j) I have trained myself to work that out but I am not sure about the logic behind it. Please explain. More bout vectors in general.

Thank you.
 
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Googl said:
For example how would you imagine the velocity vector (2i +5j) m/s. So I am assuming that the object is moving at 2m/s east or along the x-axis and 5m/s along the y-axis or north. Am I right?
If you identify the positive y-axis with "north" then yes. Unless you are specifically doing a problem with cardinal directions, it would be better to keep it in the language of x, y, and z axes.

Googl said:
So suppose an object is moving in a direction 3i-4j and has speed 10m/s. Could you explain how finding the velocity in that direction works.

I know how to work it out but not exactly how to think about it.

I know I would find the magnitude of 3i-4j which is; √(3^2+4^2) then;

Velocity is equal to: 10χ1/5(3i-4j) = (6i-8j) I have trained myself to work that out but I am not sure about the logic behind it. Please explain. More bout vectors in general.

The magnitude of the vector is, as you computed, 5. That means that ##(1/5)(3i - 4j)## is a unit vector. If you explicitly calculate its magnitude, you will see it is 1.

In general, multiplying a vector by some scalar ##\alpha## changes its length by a factor of ##\alpha##. Picture a vector, and now imagine, say, doubling each of its components. This is what you do when you multiply a vector by ##\alpha = 2##. It shouldn't be hard to see that this doubles the length the of vector. You might find it helpful to draw a few sketches if this isn't clear.

So, now you can see why dividing a vector by its length gives you a unit vector: if it originally has length ##L## and you multiply it by ##1/L##, its new length is ##(1/L)L = 1##. Once you have your unit vector, you just multiply it by the length you want to have (in this case 10).
 
Thanks for the reply.

I now understand the unit vector part. How can you relate a unit vector that you have found to a single component of the vector. So for example. A unit vector in the x-axis. So suppose that I have worked out the unit vector factor to be 1/5. Would I be right in saying a unit vector in the x-axis is 1/5x10i ? (which is equal to 2i in the x-axis) alone.

How come multiplying a unit vector by speed provides the velocity vector?
 
No, ##(1/5)10i## is not a unit vector. As you can see by direct calculation, its length is 2, not 1. The components of a unit vector are not, in general, unit vectors themselves. You know how to calculate the length of a vector. If you are wondering if something is a unit vector, then try calculating its length yourself before asking if it is a unit vector. If it's length isn't 1 then by definition it is not a unit vector.

Multiplying a unit vector by a speed provides a velocity vector because velocity is, by the definition, a speed with a direction. If you have a dimensionless unit vector and you multiply it by a speed then, the result is a vector in a particular direction whose magnitude is a speed. Thus, the vector is a velocity.
 
Any vector is "something" with a direction. Displacement is the obvious case. Velocity is a little bit more complex: its direction is the direction of motion (which is a lot like in the displacement case), but its magnitude is the magnitude of velocity, i.e., the speed. The same is true for acceleration and force. Things get somewhat more bizarre when vectors are used to quantify rotational phenomena. In those cases, the direction is usually not the direction of motion as one might think intuitively, but the orientation of the axis of rotation, and the magnitude is the measure of the entity involved, such as the angular speed, torque, etc.

In any case, however, the direction is worked out by finding the corresponding unit vector, which is simply the original vector divided by its magnitude.
 
Hi Googl! :smile:
Googl said:
For example how would you imagine the velocity vector (2i +5j) m/s.

Velocity vectors work exactly the same way as position vectors.

If you had a position (strictly, a displacement) vector that was 2i + 5j,

you'd use Pythagoras, and say that the total distance was √(22 + 52) …

same with velocities. :wink:
 
Thanks for the reply you've cleared up a few gaps.

I am unable yet to imagine when the question asks; ...an object is moving in the direction vector; 3i -4j. What does that mean about the position of the object? Has the object moved? or Is it the distance to be covered? I have trained myself to calculate its velocity when speed of object is given which is finding the unit of the direction vector and multiplying it with the speed.
 
Googl said:
I am unable yet to imagine when the question asks; ...an object is moving in the direction vector; 3i -4j. What does that mean about the position of the object? Has the object moved? or Is it the distance to be covered?

The velocity by itself does not tell you anything about the position of the object. The position at a particular time needs to be given separately.
 
Googl said:
I am unable yet to imagine when the question asks; ...an object is moving in the direction vector; 3i -4j. What does that mean about the position of the object? Has the object moved? or Is it the distance to be covered?

the position (displacement) of the object has changed, in the direction 3i -4j
I have trained myself to calculate its velocity when speed of object is given which is finding the unit of the direction vector and multiplying it with the speed.

that is correct :smile:

(and the displacement vector will then be the velocity vector times the time)
 
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tiny-tim said:
(and the displacement vector will then be the velocity vector times the time)

Plus the initial displacement. Somewhere, your first calculus teacher felt a shiver and didn't know why...
 
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Thanks that helped a lot!
 

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