Please help with one problem about writing ellipse in standard form?

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The discussion revolves around writing the equation of an ellipse given specific vertices and the length of the minor axis. Participants explore the implications of the provided information and clarify the definitions of vertices and co-vertices in the context of ellipse geometry.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the problem of writing the equation for an ellipse with given vertices and a minor axis length, referencing the standard form of an ellipse.
  • Another participant questions the validity of the problem, noting that the minor axis appears longer than the major axis based on the provided vertices.
  • Some participants clarify that the given points are co-vertices, leading to confusion about the orientation and dimensions of the ellipse.
  • There is a discussion about identifying the center of the ellipse, which is determined to be at the origin (0,0) based on the mid-point of the co-vertices.
  • Participants explore the relationship between the lengths of the axes and the coordinates of the vertices, with some suggesting that the major axis must be horizontal.
  • There is uncertainty regarding the values of a and b in the standard equation of the ellipse, with participants attempting to derive these from the lengths of the axes.
  • One participant proposes that the vertices are at (0,-6) and (0,6), but this is challenged based on the orientation of the axes.
  • The discussion includes calculations related to the distances between vertices and the implications for the ellipse's equation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the interpretation of the problem, particularly about the definitions of vertices and co-vertices. There is no consensus on the correct configuration of the ellipse based on the given information.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of the axes and the relationships between the lengths of the axes and the coordinates of the vertices. The discussion reflects varying interpretations of the problem statement.

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Write the equation for an ellipse with vertices (0,-3) and (0,3), minor axis of length 10.

I know that the standard form of an ellipse is (x-h)^2/a^2 + (y-k)^2/b^2=1

Please help me ! Please!

Thank you so much for your time, I appreciate it.
 
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It appears that the minor axis is longer than the major axis. Are you certain you have copied the problem correctly?
 
Yes, I am certain :p I think the minor axis is the vertical length of the circle

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MarkFL said:
It appears that the minor axis is longer than the major axis. Are you certain you have copied the problem correctly?

Yes, I am positive! :P
 
JakeyTheIdiot said:
Write the equation for an ellipse with vertices (0,-3) and (0,3), minor axis of length 10.

I know that the standard form of an ellipse is (x-h)^2/a^2 + (y-k)^2/b^2=1

Please help me ! Please!

Thank you so much for your time, I appreciate it.

The posted problem is impossible, so let's look at the problem:

Write the equation for an ellipse with co-vertices $(0,-3)$ and $(0,3)$, major axis of length 10.

Can you identify where the center of the ellipse must be?
 
MarkFL said:
The posted problem is impossible, so let's look at the problem:

Write the equation for an ellipse with co-vertices $(0,-3)$ and $(0,3)$, major axis of length 10.

Can you identify where the center of the ellipse must be?

(h,k) = (0,0) so the center is (0,0).
 
JakeyTheIdiot said:
(h,k) = (0,0) so the center is (0,0).

That is the correct center, but the reason is that the center is the mid-point of the co-vertices:

$$(h,k)=\left(\frac{0+0}{2},\frac{-3+3}{2}\right)=(0,0)$$

So, given that the major axis is perpendicular to the minor axis at the center, can you give the coordinates of the vertices?
 
MarkFL said:
That is the correct center, but the reason is that the center is the mid-point of the co-vertices:

$$(h,k)=\left(\frac{0+0}{2},\frac{-3+3}{2}\right)=(0,0)$$

So, given that the major axis is perpendicular to the minor axis at the center, can you give the coordinates of the vertices?

but the thing is the vertices are already given (0,-3) and (0,3) that's why I am so confused , I think it might be the vertical kind of ellips with an equation like x^2/b^2 +y^2/a^2=1 but I have no clue what to sub in.
 
JakeyTheIdiot said:
but the thing is the vertices are already given (0,-3) and (0,3) that's why I am so confused , I think it might be the vertical kind of ellips with an equation like x^2/b^2 +y^2/a^2=1 but I have no clue what to sub in.

We were given the co-vertices...the end-points of the shorter axis (it has length 6). We want to find the end-points now of the major axis (the longer axis, having length 10), which are called the vertices. :D
 
MarkFL said:
We were given the co-vertices...the end-points of the shorter axis (it has length 6). We want to find the end-points now of the major axis (the longer axis, having length 10), which are called the vertices. :D

Ohhh I see a^2 = 6 so the vertices are (0,-6) and (0,6)
 
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JakeyTheIdiot said:
Ohhh I see a^2 = 6 so the vertices are (0,-6) and (0,6)

No, the slope of the minor axis is:

$$m=\frac{-3-3}{0-0}=\text{undefined}$$

It is a vertical line, so the major axis must be horizontal, and since it must pass through the center, which we determined is the origin, the major axis must therefore lie along the $x$-axis.

So, we may say the vertices are at:

$$(\pm v,0)$$ where $0<v$

Now, we require the distance between these vertices to be 10 units, so we may write:

$$10=v-(-v)=2v\implies v=5$$

Hence, the vertices are at:

$$(\pm5,0)$$

So, what must $a$ and $b$ be?
 
  • #11
MarkFL said:
No, the slope of the minor axis is:

$$m=\frac{-3-3}{0-0}=\text{undefined}$$

It is a vertical line, so the major axis must be horizontal, and since it must pass through the center, which we determined is the origin, the major axis must therefore lie along the $x$-axis.

So, we may say the vertices are at:

$$(\pm v,0)$$ where $0<v$

Now, we require the distance between these vertices to be 10 units, so we may write:

$$10=v-(-v)=2v\implies v=5$$

Hence, the vertices are at:

$$(\pm5,0)$$

So, what must $a$ and $b$ be?

wait so does that mean a^2 is the minor axis squared so itd be 36? I`m not sure but I think so
 
  • #12
We know that since the center of the ellipse is at the origin, then the equation of the ellipse will have the form:

$$\frac{x^2}{a^2}+\frac{y^2}{b^2}=1$$

Now, when $x=0$, we then have:

$$\frac{y^2}{b^2}=1$$

$$y^2=b^2\implies y=\pm b$$

What two points on the ellipse were we given with $x=0$?
 

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