Please verify my solution (Electric field cylinder)

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The discussion revolves around finding the electric field outside of a uniformly charged solid cylinder, specifically at points along its axis. The original poster presents a detailed attempt at solving the problem using integral calculus and symmetry arguments.

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  • Participants discuss the setup of the integral for calculating the electric field and question the dimensional consistency of the terms in the final expression. There is also a focus on the asymptotic behavior of the electric field as the distance from the cylinder increases.

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Some participants are actively engaging with the original poster's calculations, pointing out potential errors and clarifying misunderstandings regarding the integrals involved. There is an ongoing exploration of the correctness of specific integrals and their implications for the final result.

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Participants note the importance of dimensional analysis in verifying the correctness of the derived expressions and mention the need to check the behavior of the solution in limiting cases, such as when the observation point is far from the cylinder.

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Homework Statement



Finding the electric field outside of a uniformly charged solid cylinder, of length L and radius R, at any point of its axis.

Homework Equations



\displaystyle{ \vec{E} = \frac{1}{4 \pi \varepsilon_0} \int \rho(r') \frac{(\vec{r} - \vec{r'})}{\left| \vec{r} - \vec{r'} \right|^3} d^3 r' }

\rho(r') = \rho_0

\vec{r} = x\hat{i} + y\hat{j} + z\hat{k}

\vec{r'} = x'\hat{i} + y'\hat{j} + z'\hat{k}

d^3 r' = r' dr' d\theta' dz'

x' = r' cos \theta'

y' = r' sin \theta'

The Attempt at a Solution


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Solving for a point P(0,0,z) outside of the cylinder, thus z > L/2 (assuming half of the cylinder is on the positive z-axis and the other half at the negative z-axis)

\displaystyle{ \vec{E} = \frac{1}{4 \pi \varepsilon_0} \rho_0 \int \frac{ (-x'\hat{i} - y'\hat{j} + (z-z')\hat{k} ) }{ (x'^2 + y'^2 + (z-z')^2 )^\frac{3}{2} } d^3 r' }

Since it's obvious from the symmetry of the problem that the electric field must be parallel to the z-axis (as the cosine and sine in the integrals will yield 0), then

\displaystyle{ \vec{E} = \frac{1}{4 \pi \varepsilon_0} \rho_0 \int \frac{ (z-z')\hat{k} }{ (r'^2 + (z-z')^2 )^\frac{3}{2} } r' dr' d\theta' dz' }

\displaystyle{ \vec{E} = \frac{1}{4 \pi \varepsilon_0} \rho_0 \hat{k} \int_{\frac{-L}{2}}^{\frac{L}{2}} \left( \int_{0}^{R} \frac{ (z-z')r' dr' }{ (r'^2 + (z-z')^2 )^\frac{3}{2} } \right) dz' \int_{0}^{2\pi} d\theta' }

Using u = r'² + (z-z')² and r'dr' = (1/2) du and evaluating the limits, the integral between parentheses will yield

\displaystyle{ \vec{E} = \frac{2\pi}{4 \pi \varepsilon_0} \rho_0 \hat{k} \int_{\frac{-L}{2}}^{\frac{L}{2}} \left( \frac{(z-z')}{|z-z'|} - \frac{(z-z')}{\sqrt{R^2 + (z-z')^2 } } \right) dz' }

As aforementioned, since P(0,0,z) is outside the cylinder, z > z' and thus the absolute value will be positive then

\displaystyle{ \vec{E} = \frac{2\pi}{4 \pi \varepsilon_0} \rho_0 \hat{k} \int_{\frac{-L}{2}}^{\frac{L}{2}} \left( 1 - \frac{(z-z')}{\sqrt{R^2 + (z-z')^2 } } \right) dz' }

Using, for the first integral, the formula

\displaystyle{ \int \frac{dx}{\sqrt{a^2 + x^2}} = ln (\sqrt{a^2 + x^2} + x) + C }

And for the second integral the substitution u = R² + (z-z')², (1/2) du = (z-z') dz', finally leads to

\vec{E} = \frac{\rho_0}{2 \varepsilon_0} \left( ln \left( \frac{\sqrt{R^2 + (z+\frac{L}{2})^2 } + (z+\frac{L}{2} )}{\sqrt{R^2 + (z-\frac{L}{2})^2 } + (z-\frac{L}{2} )} \right ) +\sqrt{R^2 + (z-\frac{L}{2})^2} - \sqrt{R^2 + (z+\frac{L}{2})^2 } \right) \hat{k}

Is this correct?
 
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phyundergradhw said:
\displaystyle{ \vec{E} = \frac{2\pi}{4 \pi \varepsilon_0} \rho_0 \hat{k} \int_{\frac{-L}{2}}^{\frac{L}{2}} \left( 1 - \frac{(z-z')}{\sqrt{R^2 + (z-z')^2 } } \right) dz' }

Using, for the first integral, the formula

\displaystyle{ \int \frac{dx}{\sqrt{a^2 + x^2}} = ln (\sqrt{a^2 + x^2} + x) + C }
I'm not following. The 'first' integral appears to be \displaystyle{ \int_{\frac{-L}{2}}^{\frac{L}{2}} \left( 1 \right) dz' }.
Certainly the log term in the final equation is dimensionally wrong. Each term should have dimension of length.
A useful check is to see what happens as z tends to infinity. Your integral correctly produces ##\frac{R^2L}{z^2}##.
 
haruspex said:
I'm not following. The 'first' integral appears to be \displaystyle{ \int_{\frac{-L}{2}}^{\frac{L}{2}} \left( 1 \right) dz' }.
Certainly the log term in the final equation is dimensionally wrong. Each term should have dimension of length.
A useful check is to see what happens as z tends to infinity. Your integral correctly produces ##\frac{R^2L}{z^2}##.

Oops! You're right, I got confused with the first integral, but is the second integral correct, because I'm not getting ##\frac{R^2L}{z^2}##

\displaystyle{ \vec{E} = \frac{2\pi}{4 \pi \varepsilon_0} \rho_0 \hat{k} \int_{\frac{-L}{2}}^{\frac{L}{2}} dz' - \frac{2\pi}{4 \pi \varepsilon_0} \rho_0 \hat{k} \int_{\frac{-L}{2}}^{\frac{L}{2}} \frac{(z-z')}{\sqrt{R^2 + (z-z')^2 } } dz' }

u = R^2 + (z-z')^2, du = -2(z-z')dz'

\displaystyle{ \vec{E} = \frac{2\pi L}{4 \pi \varepsilon_0} \rho_0 \hat{k} + \frac{2\pi}{4 \pi \varepsilon_0} \rho_0 \hat{k} \int_{R^2 + (z+\frac{L}{2})^2}^{R^2 + (z-\frac{L}{2})^2} \frac{u^{-\frac{1}{2}}}{2du} }

\displaystyle{ \vec{E} = \frac{2\pi }{4 \pi \varepsilon_0} \rho_0 \hat{k} \left( L + \sqrt{R^2 + \left( z - \frac{L}{2}\right)^2 } - \sqrt{R^2 + \left( z + \frac{L}{2}\right)^2 } \right) }
 
phyundergradhw said:
is the second integral correct, because I'm not getting ##\frac{R^2L}{z^2}##
I didn't say you should get that as the answer. I said that should be the asymptotic form as z tends to infinity.
It's a non-trivial exercise to check that, but it looks to me that it comes out right.
 
haruspex said:
I didn't say you should get that as the answer. I said that should be the asymptotic form as z tends to infinity.
It's a non-trivial exercise to check that, but it looks to me that it comes out right.

Oh ok. thank you for the help!
 

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