Plot the Expectation Value of Spin - Intro to Quantum Mechanics Homework

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The discussion revolves around plotting the expectation value of spin in quantum mechanics, specifically for a spin-1/2 particle in a magnetic field. Participants emphasize the importance of correctly calculating the adjoint using the Hermitian conjugate, denoted as ##A^\dagger = (A^*)^T##. The correct expectation value, after adjustments, is identified as ##(2/3)\hbar##, and the time evolution of the system is driven by the Hamiltonian. The conversation highlights the need for clarity in calculations and the use of trigonometric functions to represent the results.

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Problem e). See picture
Relevant Equations
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I have found an answer to all of them (a-e) but I don’t know how to plot the function.
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Thanks!
 
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It looks like you forgot to take the complex conjugate when writing down the adjoint.

But in any case, are you really asking how to plot a constant as a function of time?
 
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vela said:
It looks like you forgot to take the complex conjugate when writing down the adjoint.

But in any case, are you really asking how to plot a constant as a function of time?
Aha ! Like this?
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Yes, if your original answer is correct, but like I said, I think you didn't calculate the adjoint correctly.

Also, doesn't ##2\hbar## seem awfully big for a spin-1/2 particle?
 
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I can second that this is wrong
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you need to take the complex conjugate here
Remember that the ##\dagger## (hermitian conjugate) in linear algebra means transpose ##T## and complex conjugate ##*##, i.e.
a matrix ##A## when you do the hermitian conjugate, you do this ##A^\dagger =( A^*)^T##
 
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vela said:
Yes, if your original answer is correct, but like I said, I think you didn't calculate the adjoint correctly.

Also, doesn't ##2\hbar## seem awfully big for a spin-1/2 particle?
Aha, thanks. I get after correction ##(2/3)\hbar##.
 
Graham87 said:
Aha, thanks. I get after correction ##(2/3)\hbar##.
🤔 Aren't you suspicious that the expectation value of spin in the x-direction is constant in a z-direction magnetic field?
 
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Do you know the motion of a classical "rotating" charged particle in this situation? The correct solution is (perhaps surprisingly) similar.
 
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PeroK said:
🤔 Aren't you suspicious that the expectation value of spin in the x-direction is constant in a z-direction magnetic field?
Aha, true. I think I get it. Should it look like a trigonometric function?
I will try again later.
 
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hutchphd said:
Do you know the motion of a classical "rotating" charged particle in this situation? The correct solution is (perhaps surprisingly) similar.
Not really. But I’m guessing something like sin(x)cos(y)?
I will try again later.
Thanks!
 
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Graham87 said:
Aha, true. I think I get it. Should it look like a trigonometric function?
I will try again later.
Also,the Hamiltonian drives the time evolution of the system. You should expect something to change over time in this case.
 
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Graham87 said:
Aha, thanks. I get after correction ##(2/3)\hbar##.
Still not correct.
Could you show how you did that calculation so maybe we can spot another error?
 
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malawi_glenn said:
Still not correct.
Could you show how you did that calculation so maybe we can spot another error?
I used Euler formula to convert e, but I get something messy. Might my d-answer be wrong too (see pic at beginning) ?
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That looks right, although if you had used the exponential form you would see that is equal to:
$$\frac{2\hbar}{9}\big (\cos(2\theta) - 2\sin(2\theta)\big )$$And note that ##\theta## is a function of ##t## here.
 
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PeroK said:
That looks right, although if you had used the exponential form you would see that is equal to:
$$\frac{2\hbar}{9}\big (\cos(2\theta) - 2\sin(2\theta)\big )$$And note that ##\theta## is a function of ##t## here.
Ah! I got the same now. Big thanks !
 

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