Point charges acting on a point

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The problem involves three point charges positioned at the vertices of an equilateral triangle, with a fourth charge placed below the triangle. The objective is to determine the value of the unknown charges at the bottom vertices, given that the fourth charge experiences a net force of zero from the other charges.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss calculating the forces acting on the 2 µC charge and consider the implications of the net force being zero. There are attempts to express the forces in terms of known variables and to sum them as vectors.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered guidance on the vector nature of the forces and the need to consider components. There is an ongoing exploration of how to apply the forces calculated to find the unknown charge, with no explicit consensus reached on the final approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the assumption that the charge q is positive for simplification, and there is a discussion about the symmetry of the problem affecting the x-components of the forces.

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Homework Statement



Three point charges are located at the vertices of an equilateral triangle. The charge at the top vertex of the triangle is -4.4 µC. The two charges q at the bottom vertices of the triangle are equal. A fourth charge 2 µC is placed below the triangle on its symmetryaxis, and experiences a zero net force from the other three charges, as shown in the figure below. Find q.
One side of the triangle is 7.3m. The distance from 2 µC to the triangle is 4.8m.

-4.4 µC {1}
2 µC {2}

Homework Equations



F=kQ1Q2/r^2
E=kQ/r^2

The Attempt at a Solution



F (1 on q)= k (-4.4*10^-6)q/7.3^2

(7.3/2)^2+(4.8)^2=b^2
=6.03

F(2 on q)=k(2*10^-6)q/6.03^2
 
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fal01 said:

Homework Statement



Three point charges are located at the vertices of an equilateral triangle. The charge at the top vertex of the triangle is -4.4 µC. The two charges q at the bottom vertices of the triangle are equal. A fourth charge 2 µC is placed below the triangle on its symmetryaxis, and experiences a zero net force from the other three charges, as shown in the figure below. Find q.
One side of the triangle is 7.3m. The distance from 2 µC to the triangle is 4.8m.

-4.4 µC {1}
2 µC {2}

Homework Equations



F=kQ1Q2/r^2
E=kQ/r^2


The Attempt at a Solution



F (1 on q)= k (-4.4*10^-6)q/7.3^2

(7.3/2)^2+(4.8)^2=b^2
=6.03

F(2 on q)=k(2*10^-6)q/6.03^2
You actually want to calculate the forces on the 2 uC charge, not on the q's, since the problem tells you the net force on that charge is 0.
 
So something like this?

F (1 on 2)= k (4.4*10^-)(2*10^-6)/(11.12)^2

F(q on 2)= k*Q*(2*10^-6)/(6.03)^2
 
Yes, and just remember you need to sum them as vectors.
 
So F(1 on 2)x=0
F(1 on 2) y=6.305*10^-4

but how do I apply this to F(q on 2)

F(q on 2)x= F(q on 2) Cos 60
F(q on 2)y= F(q on 2) Sin 60

but F(q on 2)= k*Q*(2*10^-6)/(6.03)^2

and Q is unknown...

also would 2F(q on 2)+F(1 on 2)=0
 
fal01 said:
So F(1 on 2)x=0
F(1 on 2) y=6.305*10^-4

but how do I apply this to F(q on 2)

F(q on 2)x= F(q on 2) Cos 60
F(q on 2)y= F(q on 2) Sin 60

but F(q on 2)= k*Q*(2*10^-6)/(6.03)^2

and Q is unknown...

also would 2F(q on 2)+F(1 on 2)=0
Pretty close. I think you have the right idea.

For simplicity, let's assume q is positive. The force of charge 1 on charge 2 will point up. The force of a q-charge on charge 2 will point away from the q. So in component form, you have
\begin{align*}
\sum F_x &= F_{q~\textrm{on}~2} \cos 60 - F_{q~\textrm{on}~2} \cos 60 = 0 \\
\sum F_y &= F_{1~\textrm{on}~2} - 2F_{q~\textrm{on}~2} \sin 60 = 0
\end{align*}
The first equation simply tells you the x-components cancel out, regardless of what q is, which you could have deduced beforehand based on symmetry. The second equation is the one that will let you solve for q.
 

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