What is the Net Force on q1 in a Rectangle of Charges?

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The problem involves four charges located at the corners of a rectangle, and the original poster is tasked with determining the net force acting on one of the charges, q1. The context is rooted in electrostatics, specifically the interactions between point charges and the forces they exert on one another.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate the forces between the charges using the Coulomb's law formula and resolve these forces into components. Some participants question the clarity of the calculations and the relevance of certain steps, suggesting that a clearer strategy is needed. Others ask for clarification on the components of the forces and the angles involved in the calculations.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on the original poster's approach. There is a focus on ensuring that the calculations are clearly presented and that the relationships between the forces are well-defined. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need for a systematic breakdown of the forces acting on q1.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of the calculations and the potential for confusion due to the number of forces and components involved. There is an emphasis on the need for clear labeling and organization of the forces being considered.

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Homework Statement


Four charges,
q1 = +145 µC, q2 = +55 µC, q3 = −150 µC, and q4 = +27 µC,
are fixed at the corners of a 4 m by 5 m rectangle, as illustrated in the figure below. What are the magnitude (in N) and the direction (in degrees counterclockwise from the +x-axis) of the net force acting on q1? (Assume the x-axis extends from q1 to the right.)
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Homework Equations


1. Fe = (kq1q2)/(r2)
2. a2 + b2 = c2
3. Fx = Fsinθ
4. Fy = Fcosθ

The Attempt at a Solution


1. I determined the distance between charges 1/3 & 2/4 using Pythagorean theorem.
2. I solved for the forces between all charges using equation 1. I solved for the forces between 1/2, 3/4, 1/4, 2/3, 1/3, and 2/4.
3. I resolved forces 1/3 and 2/4 into x and y components using equations 3 & 4.
4. I add all x components together and all y components together.
5. I used equation 2 to get the overall magnitude of the x+y components.
 
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Hi Cimino54 and welcome to PF. :welcome:

You describe what you did, but you do not show what you got and how that relates to what the problem is asking. For example, what is the relevance of solving for all the possible pairs of forces (step 2 in your attempt at solution)? Before you start calculating stuff, you need to have a strategy. What is your strategy here?
 
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OK, there are a lot of numbers in your post that are difficult to interpret. For example, at the very bottom I see two sets of x and y components of forces. Both sets are labeled Fx and Fy. Which forces are these? You need to use subscripts to distinguish where they come from. Start from the equation that you have written as ##\vec{F}_{q1}=\vec{F}_{q2}+\vec{F}_{q3}+\vec{F}_{q4}##. That's a good starting point. Now you need to write the 6 components on the right, namely Fq2x, Fq2y, Fq3x, Fq3y, Fq4x, Fq4y. Can you do that? Also, I see triangles in your solution that have a 45o angle. What angle is that? How is it formed?
 
kuruman said:
OK, there are a lot of numbers in your post that are difficult to interpret. For example, at the very bottom I see two sets of x and y components of forces. Both sets are labeled Fx and Fy. Which forces are these? You need to use subscripts to distinguish where they come from. Start from the equation that you have written as ##\vec{F}_{q1}=\vec{F}_{q2}+\vec{F}_{q3}+\vec{F}_{q4}##. That's a good starting point. Now you need to write the 6 components on the right, namely Fq2x, Fq2y, Fq3x, Fq3y, Fq4x, Fq4y. Can you do that? Also, I see triangles in your solution that have a 45o angle. What angle is that? How is it formed?
Might I suggest starting with something simpler?
Cimino, can you calculate the X and Y components of the force q3 exerts on q1? Please show all your working.
 

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