Point charges and static equilibrium

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving two point charges, q and 4q, that are positioned a distance L apart, with a third charge introduced to achieve static equilibrium within the system.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to determine the necessary conditions for static equilibrium, suggesting that the third charge must balance the electric fields of the first two charges. Some participants question the validity of this approach, particularly regarding the impact of distance on the electric field calculations. Others emphasize the importance of considering the forces acting on each charge and suggest focusing on pairs of charges to derive simultaneous equations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing guidance on the need to account for distances and forces. There is an ongoing exploration of how to define the position of the third charge and its relationship to the other charges, indicating a productive exchange of ideas without reaching a consensus.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential ambiguities in the problem statement, particularly regarding the wording of the question about the third charge's magnitude and sign, as well as the need for additional variables to represent distances.

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Homework Statement



Two point charges q and 4q are distance L apart and free to move. A third charge is placed so that the entire three-charge system is in static equilibrium.

Homework Equations



[tex]\Sigma[/tex]F=0 This is the equation for static equilibrium
[tex]\vec{E}[/tex]=[tex]q/4\pi\epsilon_{0}r^2[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



If the three point charges are in static equilibrium, the net electric field is zero. So, [tex]\vec{E}[/tex]=0, which means that the individual electric fields of the point charges must add up to zero. Thus, the third charge must be -5q, as q + 4q = 5q.

Is any of this right?
 
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No. There is a r^2 in the denominator. What happened to that? You have to take distance into consideration.
 
Don't forget that the force on each of the three particles must be zero. Due to symmetries, and the fact that you need to find two quantities (charge and distance) you actually only need to consider any two particles, so that you get two simultaneous equations.
 
Sorry, forgot to include the actual question. The question asks for the magnitude and sign of the third charge. I don't really understand the wording of this question. That is, should I assign another variable for the distance from the third charge? As well, is the magnitude of the third charge related to q, I don't think it is, because it does not ask for inclusion of the q variable in the answer...but I don't know how to calculate it otherwise. Thank you!
 
Yes, take the dist of the 3rd charge from the 1st as x and then the dist q3-q2 will be L-x, if q3 is in between them.
 

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