Point charges on equilateral triangle no idea what's wrong.

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves calculating the electrostatic forces between three point charges arranged in an equilateral triangle. The original poster expresses frustration with their calculations, specifically regarding the net force on one of the charges.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate the forces acting on charge 1 due to charges 2 and 3, using Coulomb's law and vector addition. They question the correctness of their angle measurements and the resulting force calculations.

Discussion Status

Participants are engaged in clarifying the angle used for the unit vector from charge 3 to charge 1. There is a suggestion to re-evaluate the angle, indicating a potential misunderstanding in the original poster's approach. The discussion is ongoing, with no consensus reached yet.

Contextual Notes

The original poster mentions a discrepancy between their calculated result and the book's answer, highlighting the importance of accurate angle measurements in vector calculations.

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Homework Statement



These are really frustrating because they seem so simple, I work them all out without a hitch only to find that I'm wrong half the time and left wondering why.

In fig 21-26a, particles 1 and 2 have charge 20 microcoulombs each and are held at separation distance d = 1.5 meters.

(1 is located above 2)

a.) What is the magnitude of the electrostatic force on 1 due to 2?
b.) Particle 3 is also of charge 20 microcoulombs and is placed to the right-center of 1 and 2, forming an equilateral triangle with 1 and 2. Find the net electrostatic force on 1 due to 2 and 3.

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The Attempt at a Solution



The first part, I have correct.

[itex]F = kq_{1}q_{2}r^{-2} = (8.99x10^{9})(20x10^{6})(20x10^{6})(1.5)^{2} = 1.6 N[/itex]

The second part, I do not have correct.

Since the magnitude of the force from 2 is 1.6 N and it is located below 1, the vector of the force is just 1.6j.

Since the particles make an equilateral triangle, every angle is 60*. Since 3 is to the right, the positive angle to 1 from 3 is 120*.

Therefore the unit vector that points from 3 to 1 is cos(120)i + sin(120)j.

Since the magnitude of force from 3 to 1 is also 1.6, the vector of the force due to 3 is:

[itex]1.6cos(120)i + 1.6sin(120)j = -.8i + 1.38j[/itex]

Adding the j components, the vector of all force on 1 is:

-.8i + 2.98j which has a magnitude of roughly 3.09 Newtons.



The book answer is 2.77. I don't even understand how their result makes sense. 2 and 3 are purely additive, they are both below 1 and 2 has no x component while 3 does.

Help? TIA
 
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Hi, 1MileCrash. 120o??
 
Was my explanation poor?
 
I just wanted you to focus on the 120o. I don't think 120o is the angle you want for constructing the unit vector from 3 to 1. I'm sure you've drawn a sketch, but you might look at it again.
 
Nevermind, I get you!

It's not 120* because I was subtracting the full 60 from 180 when I should only be subtracting half of that 60 from 180, to get 150. Right?
 
Try it and see :wink:
 
Fair enough, thank you sir!
 

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