If I give you a basket with three balls in it, 2 reds and 1 white, then ask you to draw a ball randomly from the basket; if you get a red you pay me $1, if you get a white I pay you $4...would you do it? Now, I know that this is still "gambling" and that you could lose all your money and go broke if you keep on doing it, but most people would love to play me because there is more chance you will make money than lose money. I see poker as the same exact thing, but with 52 balls instead of 3. You HAVE to use probability to increase your chances of winning, otherwise you will increase your chances of losing. I keep getting all this nonsense from some people telling me how poker is all luck and that's it. The more luck you have, the more money you make. Am I right about thinking of poker in the same terms as the basket game? There are other elements in poker that affect the outcome, like tells, but if you play online, the tells part is minimized. Some people can't even grasp the concept of odds and probability, especially when playing with 52 different cards and they start thinking it's mostly "luck". What is "luck"? If I'm playing the basket game and draw a red ball, I can say that I got unlucky and go cry over it OR I can just keep playing and overcome "luck". I know that I can't prove that I will be able to overcome luck if I keep playing, but there is more chance that I will. In the practical world, playing the basket game over and over will most likely make you pretty rich...right? What do you think? Am I wrong? Is poker just "luck"? Am I justified in thinking of poker (ie. limit holdem) as the basket game?