Polarization charge density of homogeneous dielectric

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The discussion revolves around the concept of polarization charge density in homogeneous dielectrics under the influence of an electric field. It explores the relationship between the polarization vector, electric induction vector, and the conditions under which divergence of polarization leads to surface charges.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the logic behind the assertion that divergence of polarization, divP, equals zero in electrostatic fields, seeking clarification on why polarization charges are considered to be only on the surfaces of the dielectric.
  • Another participant explains that in general, divP is not zero in a dielectric when an electric field is applied, noting specific geometries where uniform polarization results in zero divergence and surface charge density.
  • The second participant provides examples of geometries (slab, sphere, cylinder) where uniform polarization can be achieved, discussing the conditions under which this occurs and the implications for the electric field and polarization within the material.
  • A correction is noted regarding a typographical error in the equation presented in the second post, indicating a negative sign in the divergence equation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the conditions under which polarization charge density is zero, with one participant questioning the reasoning behind surface-only charge assumptions, while another provides examples of specific cases where uniform polarization leads to zero divergence.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of polarization in dielectrics, indicating that while some geometries allow for simple solutions, most cases involve more intricate relationships between the electric field, polarization, and charge density.

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Hi everyone,
there's something that I can't comprehend: when a homogeneous is in a conservative and non-uniform in module electric field polarization expression is given by P0χE. Supposing the most general situation there's: divPp where ρp is the polarization charge density in the dielectric. When my textbook introduces the electric induction vector D0E + P it says that divD=0 if in the volume (the dielectric material) you are going to integrate the divergence there are no free charges and it makes absolutely sense. Troubles have come in my mind when it states that this means divPp=0 too because "every electrostatic field makes the variation end up with 0". I mean what's the characteristic of electrostatic conservative non-uniform (in module) fields to make divP=0? I think I missed some logics here. I mean, why does it jump to the conclusion that polarization charges are only located on the surfaces of the dielectric material?
 
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In general ## \nabla \cdot P=\rho_p ## is not equal to zero in a dielectric material when an electric field is applied. There are a couple of geometries where a uniform polarization ## P ## in the material results from an applied uniform external electric field , because the polarization charge forms in such a manner on the surface of the solid, that its electric field, ## E_p ##, (inside the material), added to the applied electric field ## E_o ##, results in a uniform ## E_i ## in the material and thereby a uniform ## P ##. A uniform ## P ## will have zero divergence,(and thereby ## \rho_p=0 ##), and surface polarization charge density is ## \sigma_p =P \cdot \hat{n} ##. ## \\ ##This self-consistent uniform ## P ## case happens in the case of a dielectric slab, where the electric field from the surface polarization charges ## E_p=-\frac{P}{\epsilon_o} ## , and also for a dielectric sphere, where ## E_p=-\frac{P}{3 \epsilon_o} ##. For most geometric shapes, in an applied electric field that is uniform, the resulting ## P ## is not uniform, and the resulting electric field, along with the resulting polarization will be quite complex.## \\ ## One other case where a simple self-consistent solution occurs is a cylinder turned sideways. For that case ## E_p=-\frac{P}{2 \epsilon_o} ##. These simple cases can be readily solved by writing ## E_i=E_o+E_p ##, and ## P=\epsilon_o \chi E_i ##. Since ## E_p=-\frac{D P}{\epsilon_o } ##, where ## D ## is the geometric factor for a particular geometry, it is a simple matter of solving two equations for the two unknowns: ## E_i ## and ## P ##. ## \\ ## For most cases, there is no constant ## D ##, like there is for the 3 cases mentioned above. (## D=1 ## for a slab, ## D=\frac{1}{3} ## for a sphere, and ## D=\frac{1}{2} ## for a cylinder that is turned sideways). ## \\ ## Additional note: Outside the material, ## E_p =0 ## for the dielectric slab. For the sphere and cylinder geometries, ## E_p ## outside the material has a somewhat complex form, and the solution for those cases is presented in advanced E&M courses.
 
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Thank you so much!
 
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One typo/correction: The first line of post 2 should read ## -\nabla \cdot P=\rho_p ## with a minus sign in the equation.
 
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