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The discussion revolves around the properties of polynomial rings and fields, specifically examining whether certain quotient rings of polynomials over the field F = Z/2 are fields. The original poster presents several polynomial expressions and attempts to determine their status as fields by checking for inverses and irreducibility.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to construct multiplication tables for the quotient rings and check for the existence of inverses to determine if they are fields. They also express confusion about the implications of finding multiple inverses for elements.
  • Some participants suggest checking the irreducibility of the polynomials as a simpler method to determine if the corresponding rings are fields.
  • Others question the correctness of the original poster's element sets and calculations, prompting a reevaluation of their findings.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and corrections. There is a recognition that the irreducibility of polynomials can simplify the determination of field status. The original poster is encouraged to clarify their understanding of inverses in the context of fields.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the original poster's professor emphasized the importance of checking inverses through multiplication tables, which contrasts with the irreducibility approach suggested by others. There is also a specific focus on the field characteristics of F being Z/p or Q, which may influence the derivative properties discussed later in the thread.

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Homework Statement


Let F be a field, F[x] the ring of polynomials in one variable over F. For a \in F[x], let (a) be all the multiples of a in F[x] (note (a) is an ideal). If b \in F[x], let c(b) be the coset of b mod (a) (that is, the set of all b + qa, where q \in F[x]). F[x]/(a), then is the set of all such cosets of (a).
For F = Z/2 = {0,1} our field, which of the following are fields? (note: a field is just a commutative division ring, and Z/2 already has commutative multiplication. We just need to show the following are division rings.)

a) F[x]/(x2 + 1)

b) F[x]/(x2 + x + 1)

c) F[x]/(x3 + x2 + 1)

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I think I have a) done correctly and possibly b) but I want someone to take a look at them.

First let's find all of the elements in a) {0,1,x,x+1}
x2 + 1 = 0 here so this also gives us x2 = 1 since 1 + 1 also = 0.
I think the best way to determine that the following are division rings is to check that they all have inverses. So i'll make a multiplication table (excluding 0 and 1 as those are obvious).
(I'm having trouble formatting a table)
For x
* x = 1
* (x+1) = x^2 + x = x + 1

For x+1
* x = x+1
* (x+1) = x^2 + 2x + 1 = 0

Since x+1 does not have in inverse this is not a field.

Now on to b)
The elements in b are {1,x,x+1,x2,x2+1}
Note: x^2 + x + 1 = 0 so x^2 + x = 1.
These are some other things that we need to know for the multiplication table that I will prove here: x^3 = 1 and x^4 = x
(x^2 + x + 1)(x + 1) = 0 * 1 = x^3 + 2x^2 + 2x + 1 = x^3 + 1 = 0. Therefore x^3 = 1 since 1+1 = 0.
We know x^2 + x = 1 so (x^2 +x)^2 = 1 = x^4 + x^2 Now we can write 1 = 1 as x^2 + x = x^4 + x^2. Therefore x^4 = x.
Now for the multiplication table I find that not only does every element have an inverse but in fact has 2 elements that take it to the identity(except for 1 and 0). I'm wondering if this is a problem..
Again excluding 1 and 0 we have
For x:
* x = x^2
* (x+1) = 1
* (x^2) = x^3 = 1
* (x^2 + 1) = x^3+x = x+1

(Just going to post the simplified answer from here on)
For x+1:
* x = 1
* (x+1) = x^2 + 1
* (x^2) = x^2 + 1
* (x^2 + 1) = 1

For x^2:
* x = 1
* (x+1) = x^2 + 1
* (x^2) = x
* (x^2 + 1) = 1

For x^2 + 1:
* x = x+1
* (x+1) = 1
* (x^2) = 1
* (x^2 + 1) = x+1

I'm really just confused as to whether a field(or even just a group) can have 2 elements that take it to identity. If it can then b) is a field, if not then it's not.
For part c) I also find that the elements, excluding 1 and 0, also have 2 inverses each.
 
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An easier way is to check if the polynomials, which you quotient out, are irreducible. If so, the ideals will be maximal and thus the corresponding ring will be a field.

For example a) is not a field, since (x^2+1)=(x+1)(x+1) and is thus not irreducible...
 
micromass said:
An easier way is to check if the polynomials, which you quotient out, are irreducible. If so, the ideals will be maximal and thus the corresponding ring will be a field.

This must be some theorem we haven't learned yet. In class I remember my professor specifically saying that we need to check these by creating a multiplication table and checking for inverses. However, if what you said is true, I've determined that b and c must be fields because the polynomials which we quotient out are irreducible. If I were to do this in the way my professor suggested would the fact that I am finding multiple inverses for elements mean anything?
 
Hmm, no, if you find two inverses then you did something wrong. An element should only have 1 inverse (in a field at least).

Let's see what you did wrong in b), you said that the elements in b were {0,1,x,x+1,x²,x²+1}. This is already incorrect. Since x²+x+1=0, we have that x²=x+1. Thus

x^2=x+1~\text{and}~x^2+1=x

so the elements in b only are {0,1,x,x+1}.

I believe you made a similar mistake in c.
 
Ah, I didn't see that. That should make life easier. Thanks
 
Alright a new question here:

For F a field, define the derivative map D: F[x] --> F[x] as the unique function with the following properties:

D(a + b) = D(a) + D(b)
D(a * b) = [D(a) * b] + [a * D(b)] and
D(x) = 1.

My professor also added F must be Z/p (p a prime) and F = Q (the rational numbers).

a) Show that D(xn) = nxn-1 (n an integer) (Note: a full induction proof is not necessary. Just show the equation holds true for a general n.)

I think I have this solved pretty easily, here's my proof.

xn is really just, x * x * x * ... * x, n times.
So x2 can be written x * x. So D(x2) is just D(x * x). This gives us:
(1 * x) + (x * 1) = 2x which holds true to D(xn) = nxn-1. Now we have a defined D(x2).
Now try x3, which is really just x2 * x. This gives us:
(2x * x) + (x2 * 1) = 2x2 + x2 = 3x2, which holds true to D(xn) = nxn-1. We could keep doing this to prove this holds for any integer n.

Now b is where I'm getting stuck.

b) Show that if a = a0 + a1x + a2x2 + ... + anxn, D(a) = a1 + 2a2x + 3a3x2 + ... + nanxn-1.

Basically we need to define a coefficient derivative.
First we need a constant rule. Defining one for the integers is easy as 1 = x0 so D(1) = D(x0) = 0 * x-1 = 0. Then we can extend it to any integer since 2 = 1 + 1 and D(2) = D(1) + D(1) = 0, 3 = 2 + 1 etc...
However, my professor said that F is the rational numbers and I'm having a tough time proving that constant rational numbers go to zero.

If I had the constant rule defined for the rational numbers then I could easily finish my coefficient derivative proof:

D(a0) goes to 0 as it is just a constant then for all other elements like D(a1x) = D(a1 * x) = [D(a1) * x] + [a0 * 1] ...
... D(a2x2) = D(a2 * x2) = [D(a2) * x2] + [a2 * 2x]
These would be true if I could prove the constant rule..
 
Apply your second rule to D(1*1). What do you conclude about D(1)? Can you figure out how to extend that to show D(c)=0 for all c in F, if F=Z/p or Q? It should be easy to show D(n)=0 where n is 1+1+...+1 n times. For the rationals, now think about D(n*(1/n)).
 
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Aha! I think I have it now. We know D(1) = 0. We also know 1 can be written as the product of any n and it's inverse 1/n. (Every n but 0 has an inverse here since this is a field). With this we can prove that the derivative of any rational number is 0 as follows:
1 = (4 * 1/4) = D(1) = D(4 * 1/4) = (0 * 1/4) + [4 * D(1/4)] = (4 * D(1/4) = 0 which means D(1/4) must equal zero. We can show this for 2/4 and 3/4 as they are just 1/4 + 1/4 and 1/4 + 1/4 + 1/4 respectively. We can show this for any n | n ≠ 0. which is all we need.
 
nhartung said:
Aha! I think I have it now. We know D(1) = 0. We also know 1 can be written as the product of any n and it's inverse 1/n. (Every n but 0 has an inverse here since this is a field). With this we can prove that the derivative of any rational number is 0 as follows:
1 = (4 * 1/4) = D(1) = D(4 * 1/4) = (0 * 1/4) + [4 * D(1/4)] = (4 * D(1/4) = 0 which means D(1/4) must equal zero. We can show this for 2/4 and 3/4 as they are just 1/4 + 1/4 and 1/4 + 1/4 + 1/4 respectively. We can show this for any n | n ≠ 0. which is all we need.

Yes, I think you have it now. You do need F=Z/p or Q to make this work, I think. In other fields you might need a separate assumption that F(c)=0 for c in F.
 
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Thanks a lot, you and micromass have both helped me out immensely this semester. This is my last problem set this semester so hopefully I won't be back.
 

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