Pool Crashing Dilemma: Is That Stealing?

[Math Is Hard]

Say you go to a nice hotel bar, order a couple of drinks, have a meal, and then ever .. so .. subtly .. make your way to the pool (or the jacuzzi) and enjoy a little swim. You don't have a room at the hotel, but since you've had drinks and dinner, you're still sort of a guest.

Is that stealing?

I was reading some discussion about it here:

http://www.gadling.com/2006/10/30/how-to-sneak-into-hotel-pools/

 

[Pengwuino]

that's hilarious!

I'd say it is stealing, or trespassing. Obviously.

 

[berkeman]

Say you go to a nice hotel bar, order a couple of drinks, have a meal, and then ever .. so .. subtly .. make your way to the pool (or the jacuzzi) and enjoy a little swim.

Never mind the stealing thing. MIH, I'm stunned. You should know to wait an hour after a meal before swimming. Where's your head at?

 

[Math Is Hard]

that's hilarious!

I'd say it is stealing, or trespassing. Obviously.

I think it's a slippery slope. I bet I could sit on the edge of the pool with my feet in the water and no one would be upset, even if they knew I didn't have a room at the hotel. I think I could even splash around a little bit, maybe stand on the first step that leads down into the water. BUT- I think if I waded into the pool, feet touching bottom, that would get me booted.

Never mind the stealing thing. MIH, I'm stunned. You should know to wait an hour after a meal before swimming. Where's your head at?

Good point.

OK, no meal, but maybe 4 drinks instead of two, so they make a decent profit off my patronage.

 

[junglebeast]

Say you go to a nice hotel bar, order a couple of drinks, have a meal, and then ever .. so .. subtly .. make your way to the pool (or the jacuzzi) and enjoy a little swim. You don't have a room at the hotel, but since you've had drinks and dinner, you're still sort of a guest.

Is that stealing?

I was reading some discussion about it here:

http://www.gadling.com/2006/10/30/how-to-sneak-into-hotel-pools/

On many occasions I've just let myself in directly to use the pool, a lot of people do this! So if you've paid for drinks and whatnot, I say go on ahead. It doesn't cost them anything, so it's not stealing. They are going to run the pool facilities regardless, which will usually just be empty.

 

[Moonbear]

Heh heh heh, back in my younger days, I did this with one of my stepbrothers. We were out on the beach at night when it was getting chilly and we were getting cold, and passed a hotel with a pool and hot tub. There was nobody there, and it was a hotel with no lifeguard on duty and beach access. On a lark, we decided to try the gate to the pool to take a dip in the hot tub to warm up. I was expecting the gate to be locked and need a hotel key to get in, but it was open. Then I expected to get stopped, and if anyone said something, we'd have just gotten up and left when they said so, but nobody ever showed up.

On the liability side brought up in the comments about the article, if the hotel is so lax in security that anyone can wander into their pool without being questioned, that is a liability they brought upon themselves. I didn't really expect to be able to get into the hotel pool from the beach without a hotel key, so leaving that gate open IS the liability. It's not like we hopped the fence.

 

[Danger]

As Berkeman said, never mind the stealing thing. I want the pictures of you in a bikini, especially after you've had a couple of drinks.

 

[zoobyshoe]

As Berkeman said, never mind the stealing thing. I want the pictures of you in a bikini, especially after you've had a couple of drinks.

Perhaps you might like to offer MIH pictures of yourself in a bikini before requesting hers. It's only fair.

 

[lisab]

Heh heh heh, back in my younger days, I did this with one of my stepbrothers. We were out on the beach at night when it was getting chilly and we were getting cold, and passed a hotel with a pool and hot tub. There was nobody there, and it was a hotel with no lifeguard on duty and beach access. On a lark, we decided to try the gate to the pool to take a dip in the hot tub to warm up. I was expecting the gate to be locked and need a hotel key to get in, but it was open. Then I expected to get stopped, and if anyone said something, we'd have just gotten up and left when they said so, but nobody ever showed up.

On the liability side brought up in the comments about the article, if the hotel is so lax in security that anyone can wander into their pool without being questioned, that is a liability they brought upon themselves. I didn't really expect to be able to get into the hotel pool from the beach without a hotel key, so leaving that gate open IS the liability. It's not like we hopped the fence.

Ahahahaha...this brings back a wonderful, hilarious memory...something I haven't thought of in years.

I was on the girls' swim team in high school, and one year we had an end-of-season party at the clubhouse of the pool we practiced in. The pool was closed at the time - it was after hours - so of course none of us planned to swim. Well, we all ended up in the pool anyway, and since no one had brought their swim suit, we were as nekkid as the day we were born.

Then a neighbor called the cops. The cops came and approached the pool with their flashlights and ordered us out of the pool. You can't even imagine the shock they had when they found they had just busted (no pun intened) 20-or-so skinny dipping teenage girls!

Good times....

Now get your minds out of the gutter... honi soit qui mal y pense!

 

[Moonbear]

Perhaps you might like to offer MIH pictures of yourself in a bikini before requesting hers. It's only fair.

No thanks!

 

[Math Is Hard]

Perhaps you might like to offer MIH pictures of yourself in a bikini before requesting hers. It's only fair.

I agree. Tit for tat.

I'm going to stop right there.

 

[Math Is Hard]

On many occasions I've just let myself in directly to use the pool, a lot of people do this! So if you've paid for drinks and whatnot, I say go on ahead. It doesn't cost them anything, so it's not stealing. They are going to run the pool facilities regardless, which will usually just be empty.

I do hate to see a lovely, empty pool go to waste.

 

[Math Is Hard]

Heh heh heh, back in my younger days, I did this with one of my stepbrothers. We were out on the beach at night when it was getting chilly and we were getting cold, and passed a hotel with a pool and hot tub. There was nobody there, and it was a hotel with no lifeguard on duty and beach access. On a lark, we decided to try the gate to the pool to take a dip in the hot tub to warm up. I was expecting the gate to be locked and need a hotel key to get in, but it was open. Then I expected to get stopped, and if anyone said something, we'd have just gotten up and left when they said so, but nobody ever showed up.

On the liability side brought up in the comments about the article, if the hotel is so lax in security that anyone can wander into their pool without being questioned, that is a liability they brought upon themselves. I didn't really expect to be able to get into the hotel pool from the beach without a hotel key, so leaving that gate open IS the liability. It's not like we hopped the fence.

That makes it so much easier if you don't have to walk past the lobby.

 

[Math Is Hard]

Ahahahaha...this brings back a wonderful, hilarious memory...something I haven't thought of in years.

I was on the girls' swim team in high school, and one year we had an end-of-season party at the clubhouse of the pool we practiced in. The pool was closed at the time - it was after hours - so of course none of us planned to swim. Well, we all ended up in the pool anyway, and since no one had brought their swim suit, we were as nekkid as the day we were born.

Then a neighbor called the cops. The cops came and approached the pool with their flashlights and ordered us out of the pool. You can't even imagine the shock they had when they found they had just busted (no pun intened) 20-or-so skinny dipping teenage girls!

Good times....

Now get your minds out of the gutter... honi soit qui mal y pense!

Can't wait til Danger sees this post!

 

[Cyrus]

I'll crash a pool party with you if you need someone to egg you on, you know I have no shame!

(Ok, not really) One time my friends and I were going to get food. We walked into this Asian place and the lady said: "Hi, are you with Empire?" I was said to her: "What?". Then she said, "Oh, were closed tonight. The company Empire has reserved the resturant for the night for company employees. It's open food and bar". I said to her (stupidly) "Oh ok, thanks". My friends said: "Why didn't you just tell her we're from Empire??". I then explained to them how awkward it would be when the boss decides to make a toast to all the employees and everyone is standing around going, " WHO THE HELL ARE THESE BOZOS" as the room is silent and we are shamfully escourted out. We were just wearing whatever, but the employees were wearing nice attire.

It wasn't a large enough party to jusify the crashing of it.

 

[jtbell]

Perhaps you might like to offer MIH pictures of yourself in a bikini before requesting hers. It's only fair.

Just last night I saw on TV a report about a guy who was arrested for going around in a woman's bathing suit, with more women's swimsuits stuffed into the upper part to fill it out.

http://www.whiotv.com/news/19697272/detail.html

Was that you, Danger?

 

[Phrak]

Say you go to a nice hotel bar, order a couple of drinks, have a meal, and then ever .. so .. subtly .. make your way to the pool (or the jacuzzi) and enjoy a little swim.

So where did you go skinny dipping--or do you always bring a swim suit to a bar?

 

[NeoDevin]

I agree. Tit for tat.

Ok, I'll show you my tat, you show me your ...

 

[Math Is Hard]

I'll crash a pool party with you if you need someone to egg you on, you know I have no shame!

(Ok, not really) One time my friends and I were going to get food. We walked into this Asian place and the lady said: "Hi, are you with Empire?" I was said to her: "What?". Then she said, "Oh, were closed tonight. The company Empire has reserved the resturant for the night for company employees. It's open food and bar". I said to her (stupidly) "Oh ok, thanks". My friends said: "Why didn't you just tell her we're from Empire??". I then explained to them how awkward it would be when the boss decides to make a toast to all the employees and everyone is standing around going, " WHO THE HELL ARE THESE BOZOS" as the room is silent and we are shamfully escourted out. We were just wearing whatever, but the employees were wearing nice attire.

It wasn't a large enough party to jusify the crashing of it.

You'd be a great pool crasher. You could keep the poker face. I would confess to the first person who looked at me funny.

Just last night I saw on TV a report about a guy who was arrested for going around in a woman's bathing suit, with more women's swimsuits stuffed into the upper part to fill it out.

http://www.whiotv.com/news/19697272/detail.html

Was that you, Danger?

Oh, yeah - I saw that yesterday on the news! What on Earth was that about? If he were younger I would have sworn it was some kind of fraternity hazing.

 

[Math Is Hard]

So where did you go skinny dipping--or do you always bring a swim suit to a bar?

If I was going to pull off a pool crash, I'd have the swimsuit under my clothes - and a couple of thin white towels in my purse that looked like they came from a hotel room.

Ok, I'll show you my tat, you show me your ...

Didn't I see your tat already in the math tattoo thread?

 

[Phrak]

If I was going to pull off a pool crash, I'd have the swimsuit under my clothes - and a couple of thin white towels in my purse that looked like they came from a hotel room.

Oh, good thinking. So you haven't pulled it off yet...

Let us know how it goes, strolling out of the lounge's ladies room.

 

[Math Is Hard]

oh, and guys.. this suit is not recommended for pool crashing, if you want to be inconspicuous:
http://www.ohio-share.coxnewsweb.com/multimedia/dynamic/00513/bathing-suit-guy_513724g.jpg

 

[Moonbear]

If I was going to pull off a pool crash, I'd have the swimsuit under my clothes - and a couple of thin white towels in my purse that looked like they came from a hotel room.

If you headed to the bar wearing just a cover-up over the bathing suit, they probably would assume you were already staying there. Most hotels, even the cheaper ones, provide towels at the pool, so you're covered on the towels. You just have to choose the less snooty hotels. The really snooty ones expect guests to use their room key to charge everything to their room and to get into the pool, so as soon as you whipped out a credit card instead of charging your bar tab to the room, they'd catch on.

 

[Math Is Hard]

Oh, good thinking. So you haven't pulled it off yet...

Let us know how it goes, strolling out of the lounge's ladies room.

I'm still studying. That article linked to a website that some people created where they had made a listing of every hotel pool they had crashed in Toronto. They had it down to a science.

[Invisible to Canadians] Although I don't see the point because those indoor Toronto pools were nothing to write home about. [/Invisible to Canadians]

 

[TheStatutoryApe]

Unless someone complains or you are creating some sort of problem you are unlikely to get kicked out. Especially when you are female. Except maybe if the guard is a tight *** or maybe thinks he's going to pick up on you while telling you to get lost.

 

[NeoDevin]

Didn't I see your tat already in the math tattoo thread?

Then it's your turn. Send the pics by pm.

 

[TheStatutoryApe]

I'm still studying. That article linked to a website that some people created where they had made a listing of every hotel pool they had crashed in Toronto. They had it down to a science.

[Invisible to Canadians] Although I don't see the point because those indoor Toronto pools were nothing to write home about. [/Invisible to Canadians]

That just reminded me. There are party kids that live around here and they actually know where the apartment complexs with the pools are and which ones are the best to try sneaking into at night. I have caught the same kids at multiple locations. One night I heard some people I kicked out of a pool talking about where they were going as I escorted them off property. They were getting on the freeway to go home!

 

[Phrak]

I'm still studying. That article linked to a website that some people created where they had made a listing of every hotel pool they had crashed in Toronto. They had it down to a science.

[Invisible to Canadians] Although I don't see the point because those indoor Toronto pools were nothing to write home about. [/Invisible to Canadians]

I'll be at the Westin Excelsior Sunday night to see if your studies have proven successful, lounging pool side in a black tuxedo.

 

[Math Is Hard]

That just reminded me. There are party kids that live around here and they actually know where the apartment complexs with the pools are and which ones are the best to try sneaking into at night. I have caught the same kids at multiple locations. One night I heard some people I kicked out of a pool talking about where they were going as I escorted them off property. They were getting on the freeway to go home!

I need to find out which pools you are monitoring. I'm not a trouble maker - you could look the other way,

I'll be at the Westin Excelsior Sunday night to see if you if your studies have been successful, lounging pool side in a black tuxedo.

Martini in hand - shaken not stirred?

 

[TheStatutoryApe]

I need to find out which pools you are monitoring. I'm not a trouble maker - you could look the other way,

I'll PM you addresses, maps, and my schedule. ;-)

Make sure to bring LisaB and her friends though.

 

[Moonbear]

That just reminded me. There are party kids that live around here and they actually know where the apartment complexs with the pools are and which ones are the best to try sneaking into at night.

Yes, that's the sort of thing that'll get you thrown out or arrested for trespassing, if you show up with a large crowd and start disturbing the guests with a lot of noise.

I've wondered if hotels would sell someone a pass to just use their pool for say a season without having a room there. I've been thinking that the one hotel with a nice pool here would be a better place to go swimming for someone like me who just wants to wade around a bit and lounge with a book next to the pool between laps. The available alternatives are the community pools at some of the parks, which are just crawling with noisy, splashing children, so not someplace to go to just relax, or the campus rec center, where people who are serious about swimming for exercise go, and I don't think they have an option to lounge by the pool reading books either...besides, I REALLY don't want to run into any of my students while I'm wearing only my bathing suit. I remember the horror of seeing professors in bathing suits when I was a student and visiting the rec center then.

 

[Borek]

I agree. Tit for tat.

In my experience girls always cheat.

 

[Andre]

... honi soit qui mal y pense!

How civilized

Reminds me of something

 

[BobG]

If you walk across the tarp covering the jacuzzi with your clothes on, then 1) the tarp will slowly sink into the jacuzzi, gently lowering you in; and 2) no one will ask you whether you're a pool crasher or not.

In fact, the real pool crasher nearly drowned from laughing uncontrollably and the woman in the yellow bikini seemed to go to extremes in order to avoid eye contact.

 

[Jimmy Snyder]

OK, no meal, but maybe 4 drinks instead of two, so they make a decent profit off my patronage.

If you swim in their pool, you're stealing. However, the more drinks you have, the less egregious the fault. So 4 is better than 2, but still not enough.

 

[Math Is Hard]

I've wondered if hotels would sell someone a pass to just use their pool for say a season without having a room there. I've been thinking that the one hotel with a nice pool here would be a better place to go swimming for someone like me who just wants to wade around a bit and lounge with a book next to the pool between laps.

They used to do that here. Years ago, my gym had a deal with 3 different Marriott hotels in the area and members could go and use the pool. It was really nice! I know there were some laws that changed, and I think that's why the all memberships stopped. This article talks about it:

http://www.dailybreeze.com/news/ci_12556700

For the past dozen or so years, Mary Hoffmann would spend several hours a week swimming laps and walking the length of the pool at the Torrance Marriott South Bay.

A long-running program that allowed locals to pay an annual fee for use of the hotel's gym and unique indoor-outdoor pool provided Hoffmann with a perfect place for gentle physical therapy after undergoing knee and back surgeries.

"It was wonderful," the 77-year-old said. "It was just marvelous because it was also fun, and you got to know people and it was a social outlet as well."

But high costs stemming from a new state law have prompted the hotel to end the program, leaving the members, mostly elderly, mourning the loss of their de facto community center, where they could get in some sweat time, play cards and forge friendships.

"There was a whole group of people who would come and bring lunch, and they'd play bridge," said Sandra Winston, who has used the pool for about three years now. "It was a community place for seniors. There were some in their 80s."

The program's demise stems from a state law that requires health clubs to have defibrillators and full-time employee supervision. The law went into effect in 2007, and the Marriott decided last November to drop the program because of the expense, said Pam Ryan, the hotel's general manager.

It's sad, really. You know that pool meant a lot to those people. It seems like it's all a technicality - if you sell memberships, you have to call it a health club and have defibrillators and extra staff. But if the people using the pool are guests of the hotel, then nothing has to change.

 

[Phrak]

If you swim in their pool, you're stealing. However, the more drinks you have, the less egregious the fault. So 4 is better than 2, but still not enough.

So what are you saying here. Don't go swimming in someone else's pool until totally blathered?

 

[Math Is Hard]

So what are you saying here. Don't go swimming in someone else's pool until totally blathered?

Well, in Los Angeles, if you do something really bad that gets you in trouble, all you have to do is claim alcoholism and promise to check into rehab. Then all (well, most) is forgiven. Remember Mel Gibson? I think it worked for Li Lo, too.