Portion problem including Vrms

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The problem involves determining the temperature required to achieve a 2 percent increase in the root mean square (rms) speed of gas molecules at an initial temperature of 20.0°C. The context is rooted in thermodynamics and kinetic theory of gases.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between rms speed and temperature, noting the need for two equations to represent the initial and increased conditions. Questions arise regarding the proportionality used in the solution manual and the logical steps leading to the conclusion that the ratio of speeds corresponds to the square root of the ratio of temperatures.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring the relationships between variables and questioning the assumptions made in the solution manual. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need for separate equations for each case, but no consensus has been reached on the logical steps involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the presence of multiple unknowns and the challenge of relating the variables without specific values for constants such as k and m. There is also an emphasis on the necessity of considering temperature in Kelvin.

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Homework Statement


The rms speed of molecules in a gas at 20.0C is to be increased by 2 percent. To what temperature must it be raised?

Homework Equations


Vrms = Squareroot((3kt)/m)

The Attempt at a Solution


vrms.02 + vrms = squareroot((3kt)/m)
vrms(1.02) = squareroot((3kt)/m)

Too many unknowns.

In the solution manual it does
(vrms1/vrms2) = 1.02 = (squareroot t1)/(squareroot t2)
t2 1.02^2 = t1 then plug in 20 plus 275 for t2 to get t1

My miss understanding is how does the solution manual know its 1.02 as a portion?
They use proportionality or something. I can't see the logical steps.

Thank you
 
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brycenrg said:
vrms.02 + vrms = squareroot((3kt)/m)
You should have two equations here, one relating the unincreased vrms to the unraised temperature, and one relating the increased vrms to the new temperature.
 
brycenrg said:
vrms(1.02) = squareroot((3kt)/m)

Too many unknowns.
Once you've written an equation for each of the two different cases, in both of these equations the k and m have unchanged values for your gas sample (even though you may not know those values).
 
Equating k.e. to molecular temperature energy we get
mv2/2 = 3kT/2 (kT/2 in each of the three directions)
So we see that v2 ∝ T
and so vRMS ∝ √T.
Of course T is in Kelvin.
 

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