Thermodynamics: RMS Speed of Molecules

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The discussion revolves around calculating the required temperature increase to achieve a 1.4% increase in the root mean square (rms) speed of gas molecules at an initial temperature of 20.0°C. The context involves thermodynamics and the behavior of ideal gases.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore relationships between temperature and rms speed, referencing relevant equations. There is an attempt to apply the ideal gas law and kinetic theory equations to derive the new temperature. Some participants question the interpretation of variables and the relevance of volume in the calculations.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing exploration of the problem, with participants providing alternative approaches and questioning assumptions about the variables involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the proportional relationship between temperature and rms speed, but no consensus has been reached on the correct method or final answer.

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Participants note potential misinterpretations of variables and the relevance of specific equations, indicating a need for clarification on the relationships between temperature, speed, and volume in the context of the problem.

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Homework Statement


The rms speed of molecules in a gas at 20.0°C is to be increased by 1.4 percent. To what temperature must it be raised?

k = 1.38E-23 (Boltzmann's Constant)
Ratio in speed: 1.014 : 1
Ratio in Volume: 1.014² = 1.0282 : 1
T1 = 20°C = 293°K
The Volume of 1 mol of an ideal gas is 22.4 L


Homework Equations


v(rms) = √(3kT/m)
KE = ½mv² = 1.5kT
V1²/V2² = T1²/T2²


The Attempt at a Solution


22.4/(22.4*1.0282) = 293²/T2²
.9726 = 293²/T2²
.9726T2² = 293²
T2 = 297.103°K

Am I correct in my thinking?
Thank you.
 
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No. The problem talks about increasing v(rms) by raising the temperature, so why are you increasing the volume?
 
vela said:
No. The problem talks about increasing v(rms) by raising the temperature, so why are you increasing the volume?

Oh. My apologies, a misinterpretation of variables, thanks to past physics units.

So then:
½mv² = 3/2 kT
½m(1.014)² = 3/2 (1.38E-23)T
2.484E22 m = T

Although, I'm not really sure how I could find m (assuming the above steps are correct?)

Unless I should just use the equation: v1²/v2² = T1²/T2²
(at first, I thought the v's in the equation were capital V's standing for volume, but now I realize it stands for v(rms)

1(v²)/1.014²(v²) = 293²/T2²
v²'s cancel out, leaving me with:
1/1.0282 = 85849/T²
T² = 88269.94
T = 297.103°K
Hmm, well, that's the same answer that I found before, but concerning the volume of 1 mol = 22.4 Liters, I noticed that it canceled itself out in my previous work. I think I misinterpreted the variables, but used the ratio correctly, unless that answer is incorrect.
 
I'm not sure where you got that equation from, but I'm guessing you were right that the V's stood for volume. It looks like one of those ideal gas laws squared.

The equation

\frac{1}{2}mv_{rms}^2 = \frac{3}{2}kT

tells you that the temperature is proportional to v_{rms}^2, so if v_{rms} increases by 1.4%, by what factor does the temperature rise?
 

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