Position of a charge (out of 3) with a net force of 0

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The problem involves determining the position of a third charge in relation to two other point charges, where the net force on the third charge is zero. The subject area is electrostatics, specifically the interaction of point charges and the forces they exert on each other.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to set up an equation based on the forces acting on the third charge, but expresses uncertainty about the next steps. Some participants suggest drawing a sketch and describing the charge's position in words. Others question whether the third charge is positioned between the two existing charges and explore the implications of this assumption, leading to a quadratic equation that results in a complex number.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on the approach and questioning the assumptions made about the charge's position. There is a focus on understanding the direction of forces and the implications of the calculations performed so far.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of the problem, including the potential for complex solutions and the need to consider force directions in their calculations. The original poster's approach has led to confusion regarding the physical interpretation of the results.

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Homework Statement


Point charges ##q_1=50 \mu C## and ##q_1=-25 \mu C## are placed 1.0 m apart.
Where must a third charge ##q_3=20 \mu C## be placed so that the net force on it is zero?

Homework Equations


$$\vec F=\frac{1}{4\pi {\varepsilon}_0}\frac{|q_1q_2|}{r^2}\hat r$$

The Attempt at a Solution


Let ##r_1## be the distance from ##q_1## to ##q_3##, and ##r_2## be the distance from ##q_2## to ##q_3##
$$\vec F=0=\frac{1}{4\pi {\varepsilon}_0}(\frac{|q_1q_3|}{{r_1}^2}+\frac{|q_3q_2|}{{r_2}^2})
\\ -\frac{|q_2q_3|}{{r_2}^2}=\frac{|q_3q_1|}{{r_1}^2} \Rightarrow -\frac{|q_2|}{{r_2}^2}=\frac{|q_1|}{{r_1}^2}
\\ -{r_1}^2|q_2|={r_2}^2|q_1|$$
Plug in values:
$$-{r_1}^2|q_2|={r_2}^2|q_1| \Rightarrow -{r_1}^2(25 \mu C)={r_2}^2(50 \mu C)
\\ -{r_1}^2=2{r_2}^2$$

I am not sure if I missed something in my approach, but I do not know how to continue.

Thank you in advance
 
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Did you draw a sketch?
Can you describe in words where the charge should be?

The approach is good so far.
 
Would the charge be between ##q_1## and ##q_2##

If so, then I was able to get a quadratic equation, but I get a complex number.

$$r_1+r_2=1 m \Rightarrow r_1 = 1-r_2
\\ -{r_1}^2=2{r_2}^2 \Rightarrow -(1-r_2)^2=2{r_2}^2
\\ 1-2r_2+{r_2}^2=-2{r_2}^2 \Rightarrow 1-2{r_2}+3{r_2}^2=0$$
When using the quadratic formula, the discriminant becomes ##\sqrt{4-4(1)(3)}=\sqrt{4-12}=\sqrt{-8}##

Did I make a mistake somewhere? How can the position be complex?
 
If the charge is in between, in which direction do the two forces point?
Does this explain why you didn't find a solution?

Strictly speaking you should have considered the direction for the initial equation with the forces already. You only calculated the magnitude.
 

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