Positive Definiteness of a Real Matrix

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The discussion revolves around determining the positive definiteness of three given real symmetric matrices: A, B, and C. The participants are exploring various tests that can be applied to assess positive definiteness, including eigenvalue analysis and determinant conditions.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to apply multiple tests for positive definiteness to the matrices and expresses confusion regarding the results of test (a) with different vectors. Some participants clarify that passing one test is sufficient for positive definiteness, while others question the implications of failing a test.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively discussing the conditions for positive definiteness and the implications of passing or failing the tests. There is a recognition that failing one test may indicate that a matrix is not positive definite, but the nuances of test (a) are being explored further.

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There is an emphasis on the understanding that test (a) must hold for all nonzero vectors, which some participants note may complicate practical applications of the test.

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Homework Statement



Decide for or against the positive definiteness of

[2 -1 -1
-1 2 -1 = A
-1 -1 2]

[2 -1 -1
-1 2 1 = B
-1 1 2]

[5 2 1
2 2 2 = C
1 2 5]

Homework Equations



Each of the following tests is a necessary and sufficient condition for the real symmetric matrix A to be positive definite:
a) xTAx greater than 0 for all nonzero real vectors x.
b) All the eigenvalues of A are greater than 0
c) All the upper left submatrices of A have positive determinants
d) All the pivots (without row exchanges) are greater than 0.

The Attempt at a Solution



For matrix A,
I found that it fails tests b,c and d. I'm a bit confused because when I performed test a with vector x = [ 1 2 3 ] ^T the test passes, but with an x = [1 1 1]^T the test fails. Therefore, I said that it is not positive definite, but I'm unsure on this one.

For matrices B and C, I said that they are both positive definite because they both pass test c. I'm assuming that if it passes one of the tests it is sufficient.

Am I thinking correctly? Thanks!
 
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Hi tatianaiistb! :smile:

Yes, it is sufficient if a matrix passes one of the tests.
Each test is equivalent to each other test.

Note that for test (a) the test has to pass for ALL nonzero real vectors.
In other words, this is not a practical test.
 
tatianaiistb said:

Homework Statement



Decide for or against the positive definiteness of

[2 -1 -1
-1 2 -1 = A
-1 -1 2]

[2 -1 -1
-1 2 1 = B
-1 1 2]

[5 2 1
2 2 2 = C
1 2 5]

Homework Equations



Each of the following tests is a necessary and sufficient condition for the real symmetric matrix A to be positive definite:
a) xTAx greater than 0 for all nonzero real vectors x.
b) All the eigenvalues of A are greater than 0
c) All the upper left submatrices of A have positive determinants
d) All the pivots (without row exchanges) are greater than 0.

The Attempt at a Solution



For matrix A,
I found that it fails tests b,c and d. I'm a bit confused because when I performed test a with vector x = [ 1 2 3 ] ^T the test passes, but with an x = [1 1 1]^T the test fails. Therefore, I said that it is not positive definite, but I'm unsure on this one.

For matrices B and C, I said that they are both positive definite because they both pass test c. I'm assuming that if it passes one of the tests it is sufficient.

Am I thinking correctly? Thanks!

Note: (a) is the definition of positive-definiteness; it is not a test at all.
 
So, if it fails one test it is sufficient to say that it is not positive definite, and viceversa? Thanks!
 
Yep!
 

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