Just a follow up to this thread - which was pretty interesting and left me with a ton of questions (
@MTd2 post #25 especially gave me a cartoon I couldn't get out of my head). I found these papers in my travels as I tried (fairly unsuccessfully) to answer them.
I gather there is not currently a perfect fully GR equation solution to a realistic scenario (n charged spinning massive bodies)? Wiki says the two body problem is still unsolved really.
In hindsight of course it's not surprising. But when you are looking at science from the bleachers you always think, "well surely they can calculate that... like they do everything else". I don't know how realistic the proposal for a relativistic positioning system in the first paper is is but it is a pretty intriguing
model - like could you use a set of Schwarzschild solutions that radio each other under some dynamic to explore a real GR context? [Edit] What I mean is - what does a quantum mechanical observer know about its metric if it is caught up in a system of like three spinning massive objects all telling it what to do (what space-time is like). How does it resolve a metric? I mean can it just... add them up?
https://arxiv.org/abs/1603.00127
Epistemic relativity: An experimental approach to physics
Bartolomé Coll
(Submitted on 15 Dec 2017)
The recent concept of
relativistic positioning system (RPS) has opened the possibility of making Relativity the
general standard frame in which to state any physical problem, theoretical or experimental.
Because the velocity of propagation of the information is finite,
epistemic relativity proposes to integrate the physicist as a real component of every physical problem, taking into account explicitly
what information,
when and
where, the physicist is able to know. This leads naturally to the concept of
relativistic stereometric system (RSS), allowing to measure the intrinsic properties of physical systems. Together, RPSs and RSSs complete the notion of
laboratory in general relativity, allowing to perform experiments in finite regions of any space-time.
Epistemic relativity incites the development of relativity in new open directions: advanced studies in RPSs and RSSs, intrinsic characterization of gravitational fields, composition laws for them, construction of a finite-differential geometry adapted to RPSs and RSSs, covariant approximation methods, etc. Some of these directions are sketched here, and some open problems are posed.
Comments: 19 pages; 12 figures; in Relativistic Geodesy: Foundations and Application. Proceedings of 609 WE-Heraeus Seminar (2016)
Subjects: General Relativity and Quantum Cosmology (gr-qc)
Cite as:
arXiv:1712.05712 [gr-qc]
(or
arXiv:1712.05712v1 [gr-qc] for this version)
https://arxiv.org/abs/1603.00127
Gravitational Effects on Measurements of the Muon Dipole Moments
Andrew Kobach
(Submitted on 1 Mar 2016 (
v1), last revised 14 Apr 2016 (this version, v2))
If the technology for muon storage rings one day permits sensitivity to precession at the order of 10−8 Hz, the local gravitational field of Earth can be a dominant contribution to the precession of the muon, which, if ignored, can fake the signal for a nonzero muon electric dipole moment (EDM). Specifically, the effects of Earth's gravity on the motion of a muon's spin is indistinguishable from it having a nonzero EDM of magnitude dμ∼10−29 e cm in a storage ring with vertical magnetic field of ∼ 1 T, which is significantly larger than the expected upper limit in the Standard Model, dμ≲10−36 e cm. As a corollary, measurements of Earth's local gravitational field using stored muons would be a unique test to distinguish classical gravity from general relativity with a bonafide quantum mechanical entity, i.e., an elementary particle's spin.
Comments: 5 pages; corrected calculation, qualitative results unchanged
Subjects: High Energy Physics - Phenomenology (hep-ph); High Energy Physics - Experiment (hep-ex)
DOI:
10.1016/j.nuclphysb.2016.08.011
Cite as:
arXiv:1603.00127 [hep-ph]
(or
arXiv:1603.00127v2 [hep-ph] for this version)