Possible extinction event: nearby supernova

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The discussion revolves around the hypothesis of a possible extinction event at the end of the Devonian era, potentially linked to a nearby supernova. Participants explore the implications of isotopic evidence, geological records, and methodologies for testing this hypothesis, touching on both theoretical and experimental aspects.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants reference a popular science article suggesting that isotopes like Samarium 146 and Plutonium 244 could indicate a supernova's impact on Earth's geology during the Devonian era.
  • There is a proposal for a research project to gather and test rock samples globally for these isotopes, with an acknowledgment of the potential for intense criticism regardless of the results.
  • One participant emphasizes the need to narrow down the hypothesis to a specific extinction event, suggesting the focus should be on the Hangenberg event rather than both the Kellwasser and Hangenberg events.
  • Concerns are raised about the feasibility and cost of randomly sampling sedimentary rocks for exotic isotopes, advocating instead for a targeted approach based on geological formations showing reduced paleontological diversity.
  • Another participant argues that sampling should also include sections without extinctions to avoid presupposing conclusions about the correlation between exotic isotopes and extinction events.
  • There is a discussion about the challenges of identifying and sampling exotic isotopes in sedimentary sections, particularly in relation to the scale and precision required for effective analysis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the methodology for testing the supernova hypothesis, with some advocating for targeted sampling while others highlight the challenges and limitations of such approaches. No consensus is reached on the best way to proceed with the research or the interpretation of isotopic evidence.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexities involved in ruling out alternative explanations for the presence of isotopes, such as meteor impacts, and the difficulties in correlating isotopic data with extinction events across different geological contexts.

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The extinction event 359 mya that ended Devonian times may have been caused by a nearby supernova.
A popular science article on the end of the Devonian era examines the likelihood of an extinction event mediated by a nearby supernova.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/08/200818142104.htm

Per the article -
A convincing argument can be made by finding Samarium 146 and/or Plutonium 244 isotopes in rock strata from that period.

The proposed model includes what the authors call a double whammy:
First a blast of ionizing radiation, then a massive radioactive cloud of ejecta that persists over a long period. Both which could alter the magnetosphere of Earth and allow the solar wind to damage extant flora and fauna. The latter cloud effect could persist over long periods. Which matches the known geologic record of a ~100000 year decline in species diversity at the end of the Devonian.

My takeaway is this looks like a great research project.

Gather rocks from several sites around the globe, test for those two isotopes that do not naturally occur on Earth. The most likely results will be either clearly negative or positive if the experiment is well designed. A positive result is sure to spark intense criticism of the experimental design. New findings are often generate that. The downside is Geology has a long and tortuous history of downright ugly debate.

Ruling out other causes for the presence of those two isotopes would be intense. Meteors.

Finding anomalous abundances of weird elements in rock layers often is the result of meteor impacts. They may need to be ruled out. Meteor impacts can create layers. Thin layers with odd isotopes or elements have been found and used to help prove other hypotheses. Example:

Iridium in the K-Pg (KT is the old name) boundary layer caused by the Chicxulub impact, which made life hard for the dinosaurs. This layer is high in Iridium, rare or non-existent in most Earth rock. It is sometimes called the Iridium Anomaly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cretaceous–Paleogene_boundary
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicxulub_crater
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iridium_anomaly
 
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It is an interesting hypothesis, although it would be better to narrow it down to one particular event. In their paper, they are not distinguishing the Kellwasser event with the Hangenberg event (10 Myr separating them). Basically they are saying that their hypothesis could explain one of those events or even both. They should have stick with the Hangenberg event like it was suggested in previous papers.

Their paper: https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2020/08/17/2013774117
 
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jim mcnamara said:
My takeaway is this looks like a great research project.

Gather rocks from several sites around the globe, test for those two isotopes that do not naturally occur on Earth. The most likely results will be either clearly negative or positive if the experiment is well designed. A positive result is sure to spark intense criticism of the experimental design. New findings are often generate that.
There is a huge volume of sedimentary rock near the surface of the Earth. Checking it randomly for exotic isotopes would be a very expensive process. Instead, mapping the contacts of formations that show a reduction in palaeontology, and analysing those for changes in exotic isotopes is a tractable project. But that is exactly what is done now, for example the Chicxulub Iridium.
 
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Baluncore said:
There is a huge volume of sedimentary rock near the surface of the Earth. Checking it randomly for exotic isotopes would be a very expensive process. Instead, mapping the contacts of formations that show a reduction in palaeontology, and analysing those for changes in exotic isotopes is a tractable project. But that is exactly what is done now, for example the Chicxulub Iridium.
The problem is that this presupposes the conclusion.
You should check the sedimentary rocks for changes in exotic isotopes that show no accompanying extinctions, too.
 
snorkack said:
The problem is that this presupposes the conclusion.
You should check the sedimentary rocks for changes in exotic isotopes that show no accompanying extinctions, too.
If you are trying to correlate exotic isotopes with extinction events, you should sample the extinction horizon, along with the profile immediately before and immediately after. That will provide the necessary control.

The extinction event in a sedimentary section can be identified using a binary search for the step change in palaeontology. That comes naturally to a geologist walking out a formation, or examining the core from a drill hole. The same is not true of exotic isotopes that appear as a pulse in the section. Exotics cannot be easily seen while walking up stream beds, ascending rocky ridges, or climbing cliff faces.

It is not feasible to sample and analyse all candidate sections for a pulse of exotics that will probably be less than one millimetre thick. A one kilometre thick stratigraphic section would require one million samples. Some of those samples may contain exotic isotopes from meteorites that are local, not regional or worldwide. It would be impossible to find the exact same age strata, in different rock types in different locations, without the help of fossil evidence. If there is no extinction, then you have no reliable calendar.

You could reduce the analysis processing cost by bulking the milli-samples into one metre mixed samples, but there is nothing to say the exotic layer would be present in any of the samples, or in the section. Random sampling will blow your budget long before you get any usable data.
 

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