Potential Difference between concentric shells

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The discussion revolves around calculating the potential difference between two concentric spherical shells with radii R and 2R, given an initial charge on the inner shell and the effects of grounding the outer shell through a series of operations.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the effects of grounding the outer shell and the resulting changes in potential on both shells. There are attempts to derive expressions for potential differences and to understand the implications of grounding on charge distribution.

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Some participants have provided alternative expressions for potential and questioned the original poster's approach. There is an ongoing exploration of the conceptual underpinnings of the problem, with some guidance offered regarding charge conservation and potential calculations.

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Participants are discussing the implications of grounding and the resulting charge distributions, with some expressing confusion about the relationship between potential and charge. There is a focus on understanding the problem conceptually rather than relying solely on formulas.

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Homework Statement


The figure shows two concentric shells of radii R and 2R. A charge q is initially imparted to the inner shell. After the keys k1 and k2 are alternately closed n times, find the potential difference between the shells.

The Attempt at a Solution



Initially, the charge q is induced on the outer shell so that it has -q charge on its inner surface.
When the key k1 is pressed, the outer shell gets earthed.
So the potential which V1 between them is Kq/2R
Now when k2 is closed (after opening k1) the charge q on inner shell disappears so that it gains 0 potential. The charge -q which was induced on the outer surface remains as it is.
Now the potential is given by V2 = -Kq/2R

When k1 is closed again, outer shell gains 0 potential, But the inner shell has an induced charge of +Q. So potential is Kq/2R
In this way, the potential alternates with + and - sign. At the end of 'n', the potential is -Kq/2R

But the answer is Kq/2n+1R
Any hint appreciated.
 

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Potential of the concentric spherical shell with radii a and b when outer shell is earthed is

V = q(b-a)/4πεοab.

When the inner shell is earthed

V = q(b-a)/4πεοb^2.
 
How did you get this expression-

"When the inner shell is earthed

V = q(b-a)/4πεοb^2. "

What is wrong with my approach? I would like to tackle the problem conceptually rather than using just formulae.
 
When you open k1, net charge on A is -q and on B is Q.
when you ground B, net potential of B is zero. It is due to potential of B, potential due to inner surface of A and potential due to outer surface of A.
Let -q' be the charge in the inner surface of A, x be the charge on the outer surface of A and +q' on B. So the potential on B is ( assuming the thickness of the shell is small compared to 2R.)
Kq'/R -Kq'/2R + Kx/2R = 0
From the charge conservation of the outer shell, -q = x -q' or x = q' - q.
So Kq'/R -Kq'/2R + K(q'-q)/2R = 0 or q' = q/2.

So V2 = Kq/2*2R
 
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Thank you very much Sir!...you cleared my misconception. I thought that if potential on a surface is 0, q must be 0...which is not so.
Thanks once again!
 

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