Potential Energy After Escape Velocity

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The discussion revolves around the concept of potential energy in the context of an object achieving escape velocity from a planet's gravitational field. Participants explore the transformation of kinetic energy to potential energy and the implications of escaping a gravitational well, particularly in a hypothetical scenario involving a runaway planet in deep space.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the fate of potential energy when an object escapes a planet's gravity after achieving escape velocity, questioning how energy conservation applies in this scenario.
  • Another participant suggests that the potential energy is transformed into "freedom," comparing it to paying off a debt, indicating that bound systems have negative potential energy compared to free systems.
  • A different perspective is offered that describes the relationship between kinetic and potential energy, stating that while the object is far from the planet, its kinetic energy decreases while potential energy approaches zero, maintaining a constant sum of total energy throughout the process.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the interpretation of potential energy in this context. There are competing views on how to conceptualize the energy transformations involved when an object escapes a gravitational field.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of potential and kinetic energy in gravitational contexts, as well as the implications of energy conservation when transitioning from a bound to a free state.

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I'm not quite sure I'm understanding potential energy correctly. Let's say we have a runaway planet in deep space which is going in a perfectly straight line. The planet is perfectly spherical and doesn't have an atmosphere. If an object on the surface spontaneously (for the sake of simplicity as it's not the point) acquires a high upward velocity, it's kinetic energy should gradually be converted to potential energy as gravity slows it down, right? Well let's say that when the object was launched it had achieved escape velocity and eventually escapes the planet's gravity and drifts away from the planet. Let's say the object never gets caught in the planet's field of gravity again. Since it's not going to go near the planet again, where did all of that potential energy go? Energy can't be created or destroyed so the potential energy can't just simply disappear... I'm confused X_X
 
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metapad said:
Since it's not going to go near the planet again, where did all of that potential energy go? Energy can't be created or destroyed so the potential energy can't just simply disappear... I'm confused X_X

It went into its freedom :-)
Consider this: you have a debt. You also have an income. Your income is used to pay back that debt, so at a certain point, you've paid back everything. Your debt doesn't exist anymore. Where did all the money of your income go ?

What happens is that gravitationally (or otherwise) bound systems have a *negative* potential energy as compared to free systems. They must first pay back their debt of binding energy before they can be free. Otherwise they remain bound.
 
metapad said:
I'm not quite sure I'm understanding potential energy correctly. Let's say we have a runaway planet in deep space which is going in a perfectly straight line. The planet is perfectly spherical and doesn't have an atmosphere. If an object on the surface spontaneously (for the sake of simplicity as it's not the point) acquires a high upward velocity,
it's kinetic energy should gradually be converted to potential energy as gravity slows it down, right? Well let's say that when the object was launched it had achieved escape velocity and eventually escapes the planet's gravity and drifts away from the planet. Let's say the object never gets caught in the planet's field of gravity again. Since it's not going to go near the planet again, where did all of that potential energy go? Energy can't be created or destroyed so the potential energy can't just simply disappear... I'm confused X_X

the kinetic energy of the launched object is initially some positive number and the potential energy (relative to infinity) is some negative number. When the rocket is far away (never to be seen by the planet again) the kinetic energy is some smaller positive number and the potential energy is zero. The sum of the kinetic and potential energy is constant throughout the process.
 
Ohh... Suppose that makes sense. Thanks :P
 

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