Potential energy as a function of the square of this angle

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The discussion revolves around the potential energy of a system expressed as a function of the angle θ, specifically focusing on how to represent this potential energy in terms of θ squared. The context involves gravitational potential energy and its derivation from geometric considerations.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss using Taylor expansion to express the potential energy function in terms of θ squared. There are questions about the underlying logic of this approach, particularly regarding the significance of derivatives in the context of potential energy.

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Participants are exploring different methods to derive the potential energy function. Some have provided insights into Taylor expansion, while others are reflecting on the consistency of their approaches and the implications of their findings. There is an ongoing examination of the mathematical reasoning involved.

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There appears to be some confusion regarding the relationship between derivatives of the potential energy and the physical interpretation of those derivatives. Additionally, the discussion hints at inconsistencies in the methods used to arrive at potential energy expressions.

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Homework Statement
Define the angle measured from the vertical to the line connecting the center of the
circle and the contact point of cube to the circle as 𝜃. Expand the potential energy as
a function of 𝜃 to the second order; i.e. 𝜃^2, around its stable equilibrium for 𝑅 = 𝑏.
Relevant Equations
U(𝜃) = mgh(𝜃) = mg[(R+b/2)cos𝜃 +R𝜃sin𝜃]
The problem of my question is the b part below:
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I know that the potential energy is just the gravitational potential energy, which is mgh(𝜃) = mg[(R+b/2)cos𝜃 +R𝜃sin𝜃], derived from the geometry. The equilibrium point is at 𝜃=0 and the system is a stable equilibrium for R>b/2. However, I have no idea how I can convert the potential energy as a function of the square of 𝜃, as stated by the question.
 

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Do Taylor expansion of
\cos\theta and \theta \sin \theta
in ##U(\theta)## up to ##\theta^2##.
 
mitochan said:
Do Taylor expansion of
\cos\theta and \theta \sin \theta
in ##U(\theta)## up to ##\theta^2##.
Thanks. It sounds reasonable! Here is the answer of the question. I am thinking why this method also works. Basically I don't quite get the logic behind. I know that the first order derivative of U is force. But I don't understand what 1/2 of the second order derivative represents.
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Here is my solution for the two methods. They are inconsistent.
 

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The both coincide in the exact calculation. Please try again.
 
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