Potential of N Cylindrical Conductors of Infinite Length

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The discussion revolves around the electric potential of N cylindrical conductors of infinite length, focusing on the mathematical modeling of their electric fields and potentials. Participants explore the implications of using superposition principles and the challenges of defining different voltages for parallel cylinders in an electrostatic context.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the electric field and potential for a single infinite conductor using Gauss's Law and separation of variables, leading to a potential expression dependent on the linear charge density.
  • Another participant suggests including individual linear charge densities in the summation for multiple cylinders, drawing a parallel to drift chamber field shaping wires.
  • Concerns are raised about the logarithmic nature of the potential, which seems to lead to all wires having the same potential regardless of their individual charge densities.
  • One participant argues that it is impossible to have a potential of zero at infinity for infinite wires, as the line charge remains visible from any distance.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about the model's applicability, noting that the logarithmic term sets the voltage difference to zero across all electrodes, complicating the use of superposition for different voltages.
  • A finite line of charge is considered as an alternative model, but it is deemed unsuitable due to the radius of the wires being a variable of interest.
  • A ring of charge is proposed as a potentially better approximation for modeling the field in a two-dimensional plane, although the participant struggles with the integral involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the applicability of the superposition principle and the implications of the logarithmic potential. There is no consensus on how to define different voltages for the infinite cylinders, and multiple competing views on modeling approaches remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations related to the reference points for voltage, the dependence on the logarithmic nature of the potential, and unresolved mathematical steps in exploring alternative models.

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The electric field of an infinite conductor of net charge Q along the x-y plane is easily found using Gauss's Law:

$$ \vec E(x, y) = \frac {\lambda} {2\pi \epsilon}\frac {[(x-x_c)\hat x + (y-y_c)\hat y]} {[(x - x_c)^2 + (y - y_c)^2]^3}, $$

where ##x_c## and ##y_c## mark the location of the center of the cylinder on the ##x## and ##y## axes respectively and ##\lambda## is the linear charge density.

In the electrostatic case, the potential can be found by solving ## \vec E = - \nabla V## by the method of separation of variables from the radius of the cylinder ##R## to any point along the x-y plane ##r = \sqrt {(x-x_c)^2 + (y-y_c)^2} ##:

$$\int_R^r dV = -\frac{\lambda}{2\pi \epsilon} \int_R^r \vec E \cdot d\vec r .$$

This gives

$$ V(x, y) = V(R) - \frac{\lambda}{2\pi \epsilon} \ln (\frac{R}{\sqrt{(x-x_c)^2 + (y-y_c)^2}}),$$

in which ##V(R)## is the potential of the cylinder.

This seems to give a good result for a single cylinder. However, when using the superposition principle for ##N## parallel cylinders of equal radius ##R## and linear charge density ##\lambda##, the following is found:

$$ V(x, y) = \sum_{i=1}^N V_i(R) - \frac{\lambda}{2\pi \epsilon} \sum_{i=1}^N \ln (\frac{R}{\sqrt{(x-x_i)^2 + (y-y_i)^2}}). $$

A contour plot of this result gives N cylinders, but they are all at the same potential ##\sum_{i=1}^N V_i(R)##.

My question is, is there anyway to define ##N## infinite and parallel cylinders which are at different voltages?

I am trying to create an approximate model of a grid made of around 24 parallel wires, which are not at the same potential.
 
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By the same procedure, only you leave ##\lambda_i## inside the summation.

I see a parallel with drift chamber field shaping wires, which google; e.g. https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Layout-of-a-drift-chamber-cell-where-a-sensing-wire-is-placed-in-the-center-of-an_fig2_40618974
 
But the natural log makes it so that the potential on all the wires go to ##\sum V_i(R)##, regardless of what ##\lambda_i## is, and the potential far away goes to negative infinity.

I don't think it makes sense.
 
Can't have V = 0 at infinity for infinite wires. However far you go, you see the same line charge.

Has to do with https://www.iopb.res.in/~somen/Courses/QM2016/RG_electro.pdf -- too complicated for me.
 
Right. I think that is why this doesn't appear to be a good model for this application.

The logarithm sets ##\Delta V## to zero on the surface of all the electrodes. The superposition principle doesn't work here, at least in the way I want it to, because we need the condition that voltage goes to zero at infinity and use that as the reference point for each electrode. Then, we can set the surface of each electrode to a different voltage and summing would produce the correct result. Here, it doesn't work, because each electrode's reference point is its own surface. Therefore, the voltage at the surface of all electrodes cannot be different, because the reference points must be the same.

I looked at a finite line of charge as another possibility. However, that one is not good either, because the radius of the wires is a parameter we are trying to investigate.

I think a ring of charge is probably the best approximation for the field along a two dimensional plane, but I am struggling with solving the integral.
 
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