Potnetial of a spherical Shell

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The discussion revolves around calculating the dipole moment of a spherical shell with a surface charge density that varies with the angle, specifically \(\sigma = k \cos \theta\). Participants are exploring the implications of this charge distribution on the dipole moment calculation.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to express the dipole moment in terms of the charge density and questions the validity of their approach when integrating over the spherical coordinates. They express confusion over obtaining a negative dipole moment and seek clarification on their method.
  • Some participants point out the need to treat vectors correctly in the context of the problem, emphasizing that \(\vec{p}\) and \(\vec{r'}\) are vector quantities and should be handled accordingly.
  • There is a discussion about the integration limits and the implications of the spherical coordinates on the dipole moment calculation, particularly regarding the integral yielding zero.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights and corrections regarding the treatment of vectors in the dipole moment calculation. There is a recognition of the complexity involved in integrating over the spherical shell, and no consensus has been reached yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants are referencing Griffith's textbook, specifically problem 3.28, and discussing the implications of the surface charge density's angular dependence. There is an acknowledgment of the challenges posed by the spherical coordinate system in this context.

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Griffith's EM problem 3.28
A spherical shell of radius R has a surface charge [itex]\sigma = k \cos \theta[/itex]

a) Calculate the dipole moment of this charge distribution.
i know that
[tex]p = r' \sigma(r') da'[/tex]

but here sigma depends on theta
would the dipole moment p then turn into
[tex]p = \theta' \sigma(theta') da'[/tex]

and the radius of the sphere is constant theta and phi are constant
so that
[tex]p = \int_{0}^{\pi} \int_{0}^{2 pi} \theta' \sigma(\theta') R^2 \sin\theta' d \theta' d \phi[/tex]
i get a negative dipole moemnt as a result of this though... which amkes no sense
what am i doing wrong??

please help!

thanks :)
 
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Look at equ. 3.98. p and r' are VECTORS in there.
 
I take it you are referring to Griffith's textbook?
 
quasar987 said:
Look at equ. 3.98. p and r' are VECTORS in there.

right they are vectors...

so then i can't use theta the way i used it

so
[tex]\vec{p} = \int \vec{r'} \simga(\theta') d\vec{a'}[/tex]
[tex]p = \int_{0}^{\pi} \int_{0}^{2\pi} r' k \cos\theta' r'^2 \sin\theta d\theta d\phi[/tex]

but the integral
[tex]\int_{0}^{2\pi} \cos\theta' \sin\theta' d\theta = 0[/tex]!
cant have zero dipole moment...
 
HalfManHalfAmazing said:
I take it you are referring to Griffith's textbook?

problem 3.28
page 151
 
[tex]\vec{r}=r\hat{r}=r(\hat{x}\sin\theta \cos \phi+\hat{y}\sin\theta\sin\phi+\hat{z}\cos\theta)[/tex]
 
[itex]\hat{r}[/itex] is not a vector like [itex]\hat{x},\hat{y},\hat{z}[/itex]. The latest are constants vectors while [itex]\hat{r}[/itex] points towards the point that you're integrating (if I may say so). So it changes as you "sum" each [itex]d\theta[/itex] and [itex]d\phi[/itex] (if I may be so ruthless). So you can't pull it out of the integral as opposed to "inert" vectors like [itex]\hat{x},\hat{y},\hat{z}[/itex].
 

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